TopStep Trader vs OneUp Trader

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Top Step Trader vs. One Up Trader

Today’s article is a good little piece of trader gossip. In the past couple of years, I have written various articles on the ‘hamster wheel’ known as Top Step Trader.

For those not familiar, Top Step Trader is a “fake” proprietary trading company where futures trading newbies pay hundreds of dollars each month to trade on a simulator.

Top Step Trader purports to offer funded trading accounts to whoever is lucky enough to escape the hampster wheel alive. Essentially, a trader must meet the minimum performance requirements in  something called “the combine.” If they pass “the combine” then they are awarded a token funded trading account.

I put heavy emphasis on the word token. Why use the word token? Because the funded trading account is as small as a mouse’s ballsack and is usually snatched away quicker than a hungry dog will gobble up a piece of freshly barbecued meat.

The Top Step Trader funded accounts program is the ultimate gimmick. Where the newbie and the naive with no trading account, is encouraged to use a credit card to purchase access to a trading simulator. They get caught up in a ridiculous cycle of (usually) perpetual failure. Encouraged to keep spending hundreds of dollars each month at the elusive chance at winning the prize.

TopStep Trader Combine

Can you win a funded trading account?

Yes, some folks actually are awarded a prize. The funded trading account. But in reality, the prize is about as valuable as a stuffed animal at a carnival. The truth is that masses of people throw money at this game, in hopes that the tiny little ring will somehow find the end of a bottle. And when it does, the carnival barkers at TopStep Trader send out a wave of marketing enthusiasm to highlight the lucky person. Sort of like winning the lottery. Yes, someone wins. But it won’t be you.

The Abysmal Failure Rate of Top Step Traders

How does TradingSchools.Org know the abysmal failure rate of the Top Step Trader funded trading program? TradingSchools.Org currently has about 90k monthly web visitors. That’s a lot of people. We rank page 1 for just about every single Google search term related to Top Step Trader. This puts us in a powerful position where we can tap into the mood of the audience. We can ask the audience questions about their experience with Top Step Trader.

And since we have no financial interest, unlike the hordes of affiliate marketers and trading guru’s pushing this TopStep Trader combine nonsense, we can say our true opinion.

On April 22, 2016 we published a public survey that attempted to query the ‘real’ performance statistics of people that had actually been hustled through the Top Step Trader hamster wheel. Top Step Trader does not publish any of this information (for good reason). The questions on everyone’s mind?:

  • How many people have participated by purchasing a trading combine?
  • How much money do people typically earn from funded trading accounts?
  • How long do people usually last with a funded trading account?
  • How much money is Top Step Trader making?

On June 13, 2016 we published the results of that survey.

In total, we received 163 respondents. We discovered the following:

  • The average TopStep Trader spent $1,145 in combine/hamster wheel fees.
  • 79% of participants were never able to “win” a funded trading account.
  • Those that received a funded trading account averaged -$900 in earnings. In others words, even the winners were net losers.

What was even more shocking was the estimated net profit of TopStepTrader. All survey participants had spent over $186,000 in TopStep Trader combine fees. An incredible amount.

TradingSchools.Org took a closer look at the business model and discovered that nearly all of these ‘combine’ fees were pure profit for TopStep Trader. Our internal model has the gross profits at about 90%. Truly remarkable.

How much money has TopStep Trader earned from this business model? Though it’s hard to estimate, TradingSchools.Org interviewed several of the technology vendors that provide the services that make this machine function…we estimate that TopStep Trader is earning many multiple millions of dollars each year. Not bad for a business that is basically only letting people play on a futures trading simulator.

Adults playing a video game. So quaint.

The Real Reason For The Survey

When we published the results of the survey, it would appear that the article was a classic TradingSchools.Org ‘hit-piece’. A sort of ‘consumer warning’ that people should be aware of the terrible failure rate of anyone that is stupid enough to purchase one of these ridiculous ‘trading combines’.

However, this was not the primary reason. The primary reason was to stoke competition. To highlight the incredible profit potential that additional participants could possibly reap by copying the same business model.

The business model is here to stay. It’s not going anywhere. As distasteful and crappy the deal for the consumer, it still has the potential to have incredible benefits to the retail trader.

For instance, if the pool of monies that are collected from combine fees primarily went back to the traders…then the business model could possibly bloom into something very special. This might be overly idealistic. Perhaps I still believe in the goodness of mankind.

Anyway, my ultimate hope was that additional players would enter into this business model. To offer something comparable. This was the only way to tip the scales back into alignment. More competition equals a better deal for consumers. I was hoping it would happen quickly. It didn’t.

Collectively, potential new market participants would contact me. And they would ask me, “how can this even be legal?” or “nothing this profitable can be legal.” Of which, I would reply that TopStep Trader has been running this monopoly since 2010. Surely, if the model did not pass regulatory scrutiny, then the FTC or the CFTC would have shut it down. But it simply has not happened.

Sort of like online porn. When it first arrived on the internet, collectively most people thought that the FTC would crack down. But they never did.

The First “Real” Competitor Emerges

On March 23, 2016 TradingSchools.Org posted a review about the first ‘real’ competitor to TopStep Trader. The company was named MES Capital.

Essentially, MES Capital began offering a similar opportunity as TopStep Trader. However, MES Capital was not charging any ‘combine fees’. In speaking with the founders of MES Capital, they explained that they were “just looking for some good traders that could trade their personal capital.”

MES Capital was using the exact same trading simulator as TopStep Trader. The simulator is provided by Rithmic and is commercially available to anyone willing to pay a fee. Nothing special here. An off-the-shelf piece of technology that has been in use for decades.

During the remainder of 2016, TradingSchools.Org spoke with various individuals that had been funded by MES Capital. We received no complaints from persons that were able to pass the testing parameters and received a funded trading account.

However, we did receive gripes from persons that had “traded profitably” during the testing phase, and yet were not able to receive a funded trading account. They did not understand why.

TradingSchools.Org researched the question as to why some were being funded, and some were not being funded. MES Capital did not have any published prerequisite or definable benchmark that a person must achieve in order to be awarded a funded trading account. Our best guess is that MES Capital simply ran out of funds to spread around.

Truth be told, most retail traders lose. Although the business model of not charging a testing fee seems like a generous and fair business model, in actuality, it is probably a losing endeavor.

TradingSchools.Org does not have a problem with the business model. We have a problem with how much TopStep Trader is skimming from the combine pool. A 90% profit

unquenchable greed

The unquenchable greed of TopStep Trader.

margin is fucking robbery. It’s unconscionable. This is what happens when you have a monopoly. It’s the very definition of extreme greed.

MES Capital transforms into One Up Trader

In the early part of 2017, TradingSchools.Org began to hear rumblings from insiders that MES Capital would be changing their business model. That they would begin charging a fee to individuals, similar to the TopStep Trader business model.

Although readers are probably already ‘poo-pooing’ the idea of yet another TopStep Trader business model, I actually applaud the idea. Finally, a new competitor is entering the scene. The owners of MES Captial understood their limitations and also understood the fat profit margins being earned by TopStep Trader. MES Capital rebranded their name to One Up Trader and decided to offer a better deal for consumers.

How much of a better deal? Much better. They addressed some of the most egregious practices of TopStep Trader. I won’t go into the specifics, but the business model of OneUp Trader is now attempting to offer a better deal to consumers.

In May 2017, OneUp Trader officially launched.

The reaction from Top Step Trader

How did TopStep Trader react to a new competitor? Did TopStep Trader reflect on the reasons why a new competitor entered the marketplace?

The reaction from TopStep Trader has been in my opinion vicious, ugly, petty, and vindictive. They filed a lawsuit that is attempting to bully One Up Trader into legal submission. The lawsuit is pure folly. The legal basis for the lawsuit is ripped straight from the playbook of a monopolistic bully. Trying to kill off a competitor, while it is still a baby in the crib.

Consumers should be outraged. The legal attack on One Up Trader is more than the petty argument of a couple of ‘rich guys’. Make no mistake, this is about maintaining a monopoly, about keeping a stranglehold on consumer choice. Its an attempt to bludgeon not only free and fair competition but also an attempt to keep you confined within a narrow box of lesser choices. It is outrageous. I have included a copy of the legal filing below:

TopStep Trader vs OneUp Trader

 

If you took the time to read this…essentially, TopStep Trader is arguing the following:

  • They have a registered patent for the Rithmic trading simulator. They don’t.
  • That they are the originators of the concept of using a simulator to evaluate trader performance. Total bullshit.
  • That any company offering a service, even comparatively, is an infringement of their proprietary method for ripping people off.
  • That anyone that visits the TopStep Trader website is voluntarily consenting to never be a competitor of TopStep Trader.

Imagine for a moment, you visit your local McDonalds for a hamburger. It’s a delicious hamburger. And so you go home and tell your wife that you want to open a hamburger restaurant. But you want to add an extra beef patty. You decide to name your hamburger ‘The Big Meaty’. You believe your hamburger will sell better than the Big Mac.

And so you plow your life savings into this new restaurant. About a week later, you receive a letter from a douche bag lawyer in Chicago that demands that you immediately shut down your restaurant. That you are stealing the concept of the hamburger from McDonald’s. And that since you visited McDonald’s, you inadvertently agreed to never open a competing hamburger restaurant.

Can you see the lunacy of this argument? Am I alone on this?

Wrapping this up

I have no love for either TopStep Trader, or OneUp Trader. Currently, the business model is shady as hell.

However, what if several competitors are allowed to compete within the space? Imagine if a company were to emerge that offered 75% of the simulator fee’s to be channeled back into funded trading accounts?

OneUp Trader is a good start. The business model is not going away. We need more competition.

Thanks for reading. This is a story that I would truly love to read your comments. Personally, these buttholes at TopStep Trader have really gotten under my skin. Its time that someone knocks them square in the jaw.

This is fight worth having.

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dtchum
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I have no idea of the merits of either organization in this review, other than what Emmett wrote. Yet I find it interesting that one person has taken to clog up the comments here with off topic posts. What is his motivation to squelch and silence comment about the article? Makes you wonder $$$$

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Rob B
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DTchump,

Are you ever going to post anything related to the topic????

If you hate regular poster then you should go to BMT or Elite Trader. You will have a field day over there.

I will make you a deal DTchum. Stop your nonsense post whereby the only purpose is to attack regular poster (and defacto defend con artists) and I will stop replying to your nonsense post. Now if you are truly not affiliated with a vendor you should have no problem with that. Somehow I think your pointless post will continue.

dtchurn
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LOL, the desperate grasping at straws again with no motivation except ragespit! lol. it requires setting the records straight to counter the stench of gollumpete/dtchum’s sharing of the sticky alter disguises’ talking to themselves posts, proven complete loss of credibility and irrelevance, LOL!

Mike M
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dtchurn

I clearly don’t know the whole story so I will stay out of it. Excuse me if I spoke out of line.

dtchurn
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It’s ok MikeM, I didn’t think you were out of line at all. I know I’m mostly alone to deal with this willful idiot. Stray and Cyn seem to be on vacation as they too were tired of this fool’s nonsense and they caught on to his earlier alters before I did. RobB may need more convicing, but I”m pretty sure drchump is the gollum. He tried to hide it with a thesaurus and copying others’ writing patterns, but the youknowwhat always seeps out. . Look, I’m all fine with a truce, no rather an unspoken agreement because I don’t… Read more »
dtchurn
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No wonder the gollum was gone for a month. He was hiding in his cess-hole in shame after being caught as JamesII making up all those shilled CL trades! LOL
and was starting a trading room and asking advice too. LOLOL!!!
Like RobB said, complete loss of credibility! just to say anything, grasping at straws in his ragespit! lololol

https://www.tradingschools.org/reviews/intraday-trend-trading-using-volatility/#comment-28652

dtchurn
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Popping in as “drchump” in the last review not knowing what to say, settiingly for speaking out both sides of his mouth! lololol https://www.tradingschools.org/topstep-trader-vs-oneup-trader/#comment-2962 Then thinking he trapped me by trying to drag me to his cesslevel laughing about the pecker in the aboriginal duel pic, when I only laughed at the idea sans the pecker, my laughing was only on the preview pic of the ludicrous expression of the big bully vs. the slenderer contender. The pecker bit, the “profitunity” hole and the cespiece picked up from toilet in “smart trader” reviews I could only stand for a glance… Read more »
Tom
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I have contacted Rithmic in regard to licensing / purchasing their simulator.
Will update all on the outcome of those conversations, but no indications on anyone having “Exclusive Rights” to it ….
Sure its about $$$$$$$… Makes the world taste good !!!

John Santos
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John Santos

Emmett, please let the folks at OneUpTrader know that they can count on us as 1) expert witnesses, 2) witnesses, 3) jury candidates. TST will leave the courtroom with sore butts.

Trader
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Hi
John santos are you Portuguese.

Joao
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Brazilian. California resident.

Cyn
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Hey? Why was my comment deleted?

Tom
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Great job. My beef with Top Step is their holier than now attitude like they are really trying to help people. Place is a shithole of scumbags and morons who drink the kool aid . I have often wrote about my many funded accounts as well as my teenage sons funded account. How do I know they are scumbags? If you sincerely were looking to help people, wouldn’t you go out of your way to make sure a 15 year old who passed a combine, and got funded, succeeded ? Would you not think “This would be fucking great for… Read more »
Sherry
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Hey Tom are you a failed Funded Trader as well. You ran a trade room to BS people using a fake sim accountsits all here on your website. http://www.mapleleafnj.com/?page_id=1658 I bet you are sucking lemons now.

Sherry
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First of all your language is deplorable. Your son failed in the Funded Account because he was not a good trader thats a fact. . Why should the rules be different for your son than that any other Funded Trader. Maybe your 15 year old son should concentrate on his studies and relax playing on the XBox.

Tom
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GO ahead , beat me to a pulp. Have nothing to hide.
I only speak the truth.

Rob B
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Tom,

Do you know this Sherri person. She seems to know you. What is the deal???????

Tom
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No clue, but I’m sure its someone from TST who remembers me. The fact she/ he / it is so passionate about attacking me personally, I must have touched a nerve with them at some point.
I dont sell anything, I dont promote anything, and perhaps that is what pisses people off. Who knows.

Think its great it sparked some great threads …

Rob B
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Gee, are you Tom’s ex wife or something??

Sherry
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Rob you can rip him apart now buddy. Ive had my say.

Rob B
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“Rob you can rip him apart now buddy” Rip him apart?? I agree with what Tom posted. I do not even understand the point of your post. It seems that you feel TST is a business and the fact that they are a complete scam is OK. They go around advertising all over the place about how they fund traders (with visions of richest), but in reality they make sure every trader fails so they can continue to screw them out of money with endless fees. Tom has pointed out that even if you are one of the few successful… Read more »
Sherry
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Rob B – Quote- ‘I do not even understand the point of your post’ That’s because you are narrow minded. My post was in response to Tom. TST do not make sure you fail it’s the trader that fails. They give you parameters to adhere to if you mess them up then you are out of the door just like any job. You say – quote – If what TST is doing is legit, I think it is very borderline and I would love to see some prosecutor with some guts bring them up on fraud charges. Show me the… Read more »
Rob B
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Sherri, I weight the evidence. Every trader I have ever talked to backs up what Tom has stated. In addition TST refuses to show any stats on their traders and Emmett took a survey of actual TST users and it was dismal. Did you read the top step Survey results? I have the link below. In that article Emmett’s survey showed 79% could not get funded after they spent on average $1,145. And if you get funded the max drawdown is $2,000. So Top Step after making a fortune on all the failed traders takes an initial risk of $2000.… Read more »
James Mincell
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Sherry, Sherry please show some decorum when administering comments to your fellow posters.Using names to respond to your fellow peers indeed solidifies the point Rob was trying to make.You’re a grown up use your language more instinctively if you wish to have a conversation intelligently on this platform.Even when members of this forum disagreed with what I was saying they did not stoop to abhorrent language as a means of justice.I employ you to stick to a respectful manner of conversing as it invalidates any previous posts you make quite easily.

Sherry
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Second response. James go and suck some lemons. Then post accordingly to this post.

Sherry
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James I have abundance of decorum. Show me my abhorrent language that I have posted.

Mike M
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Sherry, you get on Tom for using bad language which I don’t like either, but we are all adults here then you go around calling other poster names. We have had many debates about Top Step and the same theme emerges. It is impossible to get and stay funded. If you do, they are only providing you with a small draw down. There are no large accounts. Nothing close to 30k, 50k, 150k…it is laughable. There is always some new young guy so excited because he is doing well in SIM which makes him think he is on his way… Read more »
Sherry
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Mike foul language is unnecessary. Mike you may find it impossible to get funded because you can’t trade. Like E Moore said 92% fail. You are in there somewhere hiding but not admitting. SIM sucks like you say. So you are calling it a scam because you are a failed trader. Come on buddy how much drawdown do you want $150k?. Affiliation meh!! Well if you cannot stay funded with a 2k drawdown you are better off working at Wallmart. Anyway I just hope more competition comes into the market with zero fees. Like MES did but could not sustain… Read more »
Mike M
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Oh man I forgot to address the 2k draw down. That just proves you probably don’t even trade in the real world. So you are saying that 2k draw down in let’s say crude trading 2-3 lots is not uncommon after a couple of bad days. What are you smoking? In Sherry’s fantasy world the equity curve just goes straight up..right Sherry and anyone that would end up with a 2k draw down doesn’t know how to trade. Cmon Sherry stop embarrassing yourself. Everyone here knows the realities of trading a highly leveraged product such as futures. Now I’m going… Read more »
Rob B
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Holly Smoke this is the toughest meanest responds I remember Mike M every posting. Is this really Mike M.

I mean something is wrong in the world, when Mike M makes me look like I am saying Kumbay.

Mike M
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Rob I never said anything other than I think TST is bad for traders and close to a scam. She then attacks everyone and starts talking about being a failed trader. Why because I can’t handle 2k draw down. Hey I have draw downs more than that because I trade multiple lots. She skirts around the issue about not being able to sustain a 2k draw down. That’s not the point. Typical shill bs. The whole point of a large account such as 150k is so you can weather the times when your strategy is experiencing a draw down. 2k… Read more »
dtchurn
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Well said MikeM. Also I’m glad you are experiencing a shill such as Sherry come out on the tradingschools comment. Of course it’s not a “happy” occasion for a shill to try to do their shilling, but just that you’re seeing how the shills come out in reaction to a new tradingschools review, as every reader of tradingschools comments eventually sees. This happens often when a review is noticed by the scammy vendor. They come on here with an fake alter id such as “Sherry” or in the past “dtchurnNO”, and the shill has no idea and are clueless like… Read more »
James Mincell
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How Sherry defends TST is beyond me, I feel for Tom and the thousands of other Toms that will lose money.

Tom
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I dont regret doing the combines. It was exciting doing them at the time. Fortunately for me , I seen through the BS pretty quickly and did not get caught on the wheel for too long.

Mike M
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Sherry you are shill. Do you work for them? You are a super trader right. I doubt it very much. Sherry I wouldn’t need their bs money. I trade real money that’s why I have no need for that sham show. A 2k draw down in futures trading multiple lots is common in the real world. OH but I forgot Sherry trades in the Top Step world of fantasy. How does it feel when you look yourself in the mirror knowing that you are fleecing good people out of money? Are your parents proud that you are a con and… Read more »
Rob B
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He is calling it a scam because TST is scam and all the evidence points to that as I have already laid out. You on the other hand have provided no evidence to back up your claims. Have you taken the combine and passed and are you now a funded trade making lots of money via TST. Show some proof of that. It should not be hard. BTW, I think you do not know what a shill is. This is an article about TST. A shill is someone associated with vendor doing nonsense advertising or promoting them, yet provide no… Read more »
Cyn
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Rob is a shill, a grill, a frill, a trill, an any-two-letters-followed-by “ill”. Rob cannot trade. Rob is a monkey’s uncle, because Rob does not have a straight up equity curve, and says that such a thing does not exist.

There is only one problem. Rob criticises everybody and does not defend anyone who is fleecing the newbies. He must be the worst shill who ever existed. In fact, I looked in a dictionary to see what a shill looked like and the only entry was, “not like Rob B”.

James Mincell
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Sherry is a beast lol No regard for human life .Never heard of top step trader or one up but it sounds really familiar remembers me of what Oliver Velez is doing.Prove you can trade and then get funded.Funny thing is I’ve never heard any successful students just seen lifestyle pictures and money pictures.To anyone reading all the information you need to be successful is already online and available for free.

Mike M
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James,

Oliver Velez is a long time con man with his trading education and funding nonsense. There are complaints of this man running away with deposits and opening up a new place with a new name over and over. He has been a prolific bs artist for years. the web is loaded with complaints from many people he defrauded. Just another smooth talker that makes his money by putting on a carnival show.

James Mincell
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Ah yes, Mike and he will continue to do so for many years to come .He has a large promotion team and continues to hire people that seem to be doing well on his system.I haven’t seen a fresh review of his new establishment by Emmett, there is simply too much ground to cover for the people scamming new people every day.

James Mincell
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reminds*

Rob B
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Tom,

You brought up another excellent point about the pressure to trade, which is just one more nail in the coffin of the would be trader. No legit place would try and force their traders to constantly trade. The real world does not work like that where there are great trades every single day. You think GS says to its traders why have you not taken a trade today. The difference is if you make money from ROI or are you making your money from fees and these prop firms make money from fees.

dtchurn
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For sure, the only reason TST has these ridiculous rules is to make it so the percentages lucky enough to make it through to funded are so few so they don’t have dole out much of the profits they made from the hamster churn wheel fees for minuscule “funded accounts”. Similar to how casinos have their particular payouts percentages of the month.

Tom
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Sherry must work there… Thats all I can say.

dtchurn
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Lolol, when I saw first saw that pic of the big bully vs. the “contender” in the middle of some village mudfield. Then the gross out pic on the main review page on some aboriginal duel seemingly to the death. With 90k viewers a month to tradingschools, I wonder how many also had the ROFLm*o reaction I had to both pics. Looks like the SHTF now and it’s scammy “sham vs. sham”! lol. The photo adds to the three most gross-out photos on tradingschools with the other two vomit-inducting ones being in the “Smart Money Review” (sham De eWitt) and… Read more »
Pete
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I had a good belly laugh and solar plexus reaction too 🙂 The sacks of protoplasm on the Mooktrader review were a gross-out, you have to scroll down the list of reviews to see it in the preview icon, it’s not on the Mook Review. About TST, Patek seems like a hustler but some similar risk management rules should be industry standard. Tradestation has non-predatory intraday margins and intraday risk management requirements http:[email protected]/pricing/futures-margin-requirements/ These should be industry standard, whether voluntary or ideally forced by the NFA and CFTC as part of a civilized society’s social safety net. The pernicious $300-500… Read more »
dtchurn
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What a waste of time to even bother with the idiocy of this post. But I’ll spare a minute. Really, the preview icons are not always the same on the same page when the pages are reloaded, mr. willfully stupid. Now you seem to be on the side of Patak. what nonsense. The whole point of the TST scam is they purport to “teach” risk management techniques, when they are shams themselves and their enforced rules are restrictive to only very niche types of trading, and very unrealistic to sustain for any length of time, so all they are doing… Read more »
dtchurn
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There goes gollum again wandering around in his b__ks diseased daze tagging along. His new guttysnipe, looking up a thesaurus and strunk&white from grade school spending an hour or more, first times, his radioactive retroactive b__ks clawbacks, feverishly trying to clean up his cess stinking guttysnipe post, to try to look more “respectable”, lol. (and you weren’t 100% either. “There should be () industry standard” is missing an “an”. You forgot to turn on your grammar checker, dope. Save it “smileypete”, “drchum”,”toto”, “drchumNO”,”JamesII”, etc. I’ve told you to stop tagging my posts. Your potshots mean nothing anymore, troll. No one… Read more »
Pete
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I’m not the commenters you keep mentioning! Your cruel mocking of OUR Br-oks disease, homophobia, lack of empathy for me and Br-oks shilling against me has been laid bare in this and previous comments . You resort to the last tactic of a scoundrel, sanctimonious moralizing and dogwhistling hate.I’m saying TST is bad but I want Emmett’s opinion on the pernicious $300-500 ES margins from brokerages which gave TST a sustainable business model.

dtchurn
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Yes, “OUR” referring to YOU and your alters , only. The newer comments in the b__Ks review with gollum and his alters talking to himself trying to pretend to be different people in a a crowd in a reaction to a post of mine a couple of reviews ago proving the he dons the stinky alter id costumes, laughingly pathetic, L O L!

dtchurn
Guest

idiot nonsense, there are plenty of brokers that offer those margins to retailers completely outside of TST. it’s not cruel mockery when calling out the incessant idiocy and doublespeak of using alters, alters mocking my id is mockery. what a waste of time and energy on these comments to set the record straight

dtchurn
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To add all this loser does is keep grasping at straws, anything, even saying his own rage and spite is someone elses. when he’s the one who’s been guttysniping review after review, week after week, losing all credibity using the rotten stinking alter disguises to speak both sides of this mouth thinking the readers have only the memory of the past two reviews, when his cessmess covers the gamut of 50+ reviews back. ‘What a s***y liar. I’m glad Cyn shut him up for good on his part. Cesshead such a loser not showing up hiding his hole during the… Read more »
Pete
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You are the bully, ty for proving it, dtchurn dogwhistle=cesspool. Your crude and abusive posts toward me, your peer,prove it. I wonder why no one else calls you on it.

dtchurn
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To set the record straight, all this fool can do is stupidly grasp at straws with made up lies about me. Pathetic loser where he started and instigated and continuously perpetuated all the cess yourself as anyone can see. What insane nonsense to claim you are my peer, LOL. When you were caught with lies and stupid ignorance. This is what this fool desperately tries to just mouth words pretending no one has read the past 50 review comments. Gollumpeet is only a peer to himself and his dumb alters. all alone, pathetically and insanely pretending it’s a crowd, LOL!… Read more »
dtchurn
Guest

LOL, All I do is call you on guttysniping gollumpeet when you do it as usual whether you tag my posts or snipe from an alter then lying about it. The long term regulars and even readers for more than a month know all about your doublespeak bs and your alters. Cyn got you to shut up tagging his posts. But I seem to enrage your gollumspite the most LOL. The rest of the posse are tired of it. I am too, but I won’t let this waste gollumpeet try to rewrite his past idiocy on the comments.

Pete
Guest

I haven’t seen you put much vitriol or passion into going after shills or trading education frauds compared to the yammering delusions and antagonism of me, dtchum and other misfits. Let’s put the group defecation and hind-sniffing incident from last year behind us and focus on these perverse frauds. Br-oks is getting ready for another expo and the CFTC case is going cold, while you indulge in this petty infighting and bigoted vendetta.

dtchurn
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LOLOL, all the petedetithb__ks virtiol is guttysniping, that’s all it is LOL! nothing else matters to him now just his idiotic spite, how can he psychotically pretend to say otherwise now with a straight face. what a farce, completely lying about me when every one can attest to my fighting the shills, what disgusting pos.

dtchurn
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You’re an idiot with no claim to anything grasping at straws making up “let’s” when it’s only you , your pettiness , your disgusting crap, and failed attempts to cover it up, lol, and your stinking alters LOL. Go do it yourself against b__ks, but you won’t , you’ll just hide in your hole.

dtchurn
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Come’ on guys, back me up. Do I have to bring up all the old posts back up again when Gollum ssaid he would never return and pathetically returned as alters, sheeplishly? LOL!!!! I didn’t even call him Gollum in the first place, LOL! and then he uses alters to pretend theres a crowd LOL!!!

dtchurn
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hah, I’ve been doing my part against the shils, stop your latest lies pathetic loser grasping at straw again LOL, while you’ve been doublespeaking through alters against me and for the shills at times, complete loss of credibility, anyone can see that. anyone can see it’s all your mess. You’re done, and eating crow again and again. just shut up and stop tagging me for good and guttysniping, and I’ll try to ignore your postings and better yet let someone else call you on your nonsense since it’s so easy to do.

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https://www.tradingschools.org/reviews/mojo-day-trading/comment-page-1/#comment-27989
https://www.tradingschools.org/reviews/mook-trader/#comment-10825
https://www.tradingschools.org/reviews/mook-trader/#comment-10837
https://www.tradingschools.org/reviews/al-brooks-trading/comment-page-3/#comments-10922
https://www.tradingschools.org/reviews/al-brooks-trading/comment-page-2/#comments

dtchum
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You are irrelevant churn, and your obsession with Pete is beyond bizarre. I am not Pete, I’m just another person among many who thinks your opinions are worthless and irrelevant. I’ll keep posting here as long as you do. You better get used to me, because I am here to stay. Game on my friend.

dtchurn
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You just outed yourself chump irrelevant mockery of my id, dr irreleveant chump. Everyone sees how you’re on the side of the shills by distracting from the posts exposing the truth. Btw, having fun talking with yourself Pete? Wow, what he does for his spite. The stink of the b __ks disease always gives it away. Originally drchump/NO may have been tradingfratboy. but the vendor shills hardly ever care after the spotlight has moved on. On the miniscule rare case drchump is taken over by an interloper, what a hilarious swap of sweaty diseased of the drchump costume, unwashed and… Read more »
Rob B
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dtchum, I have read many of your post and I can only conclude you have some affiliation with a vendor, maybe a family member or friend, that is being hurt by Emmett’s articles. I cannot remember you ever posting anything relevant to the article, but instead it is always an attack against someone that is calling out these con artist. In fact the only time you posted something positive about me was when I called Emmett out on article. It be nice if you came clean and just state which TR you are associated with or give actually reasons why… Read more »
dtchum
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Let us forthwith set the facts straight for those reading the numerous attack posts upon my soul by Bob and Churn: 1) I have never defended any TR room. Notice how I asked Bob to post a link showing such action, and he avoided my question. 2) Churn created his name to mock my dtchum name, AFTER I created mine. For those new to the site, my name was based on the TR sharks out there who were always in search of new day trading “chum” to eat. I am convinced that churn and Bob are in cahoots, likely working… Read more »
dtchurn
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Really, which review was your id started in, drchump? I had never heard of it until it came soon after drchumpNO most apparent as a tag team mockup of my own id.

Mike M
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dtchum

I don’t ever remember those 2 supporting a trading room, educator, or website except maybe a free one. That’s just my take on it. They actually don’t believe it most of the time Emmett posts a positive review. I actually think they don’t believe in day trading in any shape or form.

dtchurn
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I should inform you MikeM. Emmett,used to have a higher bar, then he lowered down the bar heavily so the “best” reviews only have to be a breakevener. even if it’s slightly negative if they show proof for a month at least, and probably later on if Emmett asks for it. I actually do believe profitable day trading exists just that the probability if someone found an edge and could sustain it they would most likely never share it or bother teaching it to the public. So overall, most all of the shamshows tr are just failed traders retail or… Read more »
Pete
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Mike, have you read the B00ks comments? Dtchurn’s penchant for antagonism of victims and blatant shilling and misrepresentation of fraud: dtchurn: “As Emmett said, his clean disposition as an educator just makes Books what he is a educator that does not show proof. Just a jokester not too be taken more seriously than a mumbling palm reader. A It’s hardly a case for a alarm for danger for a upstanding citizen writing a trading book but not willing to show proof as there are hundreds of trading book authors and article writers who have done the same thing over the… Read more »
dtchurn
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Wow, even going so far to copy a harmless post of mine. Even MikeM was not fooled by your lies about me and delusions. Here’s another post by RobB: “Rob B Yea I have an idea, ” I propose genetic screening for deviant genetic markers” I think your delusional genetic markets will be screaming off the charts. Do you even read the complete nonsense you post or is the point to just post nonsense. ” https://www.tradingschools.org/reviews/page-trader/#comment-12316 Then following that thread, you can see the cesshead continues to grasp at straws all just for a spiteful worthless guttysnipe. And making up… Read more »
Mike M
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Pete I am one to say go for it when it comes to talking about Brooks and his ability to bring financial misery to people not ready for trading. Nonsense like he’s looking for a year where he never has a losing day, just pure bs. His writings are pure gibberish. If you want to vent about this db then by all means go for it. Let him have it. I also agree the margins being so low is definitely part of the problem. I tell my broker to keep my rate at the full maintenance margin so I don’t… Read more »
Rob B
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Mike, This reminds me of the old saying, “Be careful what you wish for”. Where you around when Pete first started to post? It was not like now when he occasional post. He relentless posted about Brooks in every article in every post again and again. Not to mention the post were very unique (I am being political correct here). At first everyone was fine with it. Then Emmett finally reviewed Brooks, because of Pete and everyone was like finally Pete got his day, but it just did not end and that is when several folks started to say enough… Read more »
dtchurn
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RobB, the gollum was “toned down” because he was using his several alters, as we saw with James II. They may have been initially created or used by some shill. But we all know shills usually don’t care after the spotlight has moved on. Then gollumpete crawled into those stinky cessfilled costumes and started sniping in them particularly to me. Cyn, how did you get him to shut up? remember the post where he said he would shut up and stop pestering? then he kept sniping me again using his alters. He always breaks his word. Has done it when… Read more »
Mike M
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Rob

That’s all I have been saying let bygones be bygones. IMHO everyone will be better off. I know its easier said for me because I wasn’t attacked, but just like gang violence perpetuates because no one is willing to say that last murder ends here. Instead the retaliations keep coming because one will look soft if they let it go.

Mike M
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What I wish for is Pete to comment on the current topics of trading and not fighting with dtchurn. I can not tell someone to allow other posters to attack their comments. I was just saying how about a truce for once and for all. Pete said he wasn’t going to attack dtchurn anymore maybe a month ago or he said he would leave it alone. I don’t want to come off as someone that is above it all. I’m just saying the blog is more enjoyable to read when we talk about relevant topics. I have nothing negative to… Read more »
Pete
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I apologized after being called a miscegenation of shit nad piss to make it stop and they wouldnt let me express my opinions without attacking me and lying saying im JamesII toto and dtchum. Why are you siding with them?For all we know Robb is dtchurns alter so we shouldnt accuse peers of using alters without evidence

dtchurn
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Of course MikeM doesn’t see your grasping at straws saying I’m a shill for anything. No one sane would. But you have used alters yourself..besides drchum’s stinky costume, also JamesII, toto, Jon, smileypete, etc. You broke your vow taking guttysnipes as either yourself or one of your alters in reference to my post. I called out your inane postings in kind such as shutting down all trading by locking up the exchanges, ridiculous and only being mental from the uncontrollable rage of the b__ks disease in resurgence would generate that crazy thought. Only when you became fixated on this review’s… Read more »
dtchurn
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Gollumpeet continued to refer to my posts in sniping as well as using alters to attack me and RobB with JamesII and drchump and probably others in the past. He will grasp at straws at anything now. Everyone knows RobB and I are different. But many know drchump , and prior alters , and Peet and even called him out on it like Stray, LOL>

Mike M
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Pete I am not siding with anyone. I happen to enjoy reading all the posts. I spoke about your posts on occasions and enjoyed the vitriol you feel for Brooks. He deserves every bit of it. You made a great point about the margins being so low as part of the problem and I commented on that, but it got lost in the shuffle from all the fighting. If you can’t feel that I am trying to get a truce going like you said a few times before you would abide with then I respectfully will stay out of this.… Read more »
dtchurn
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I don’t mind the actual useful discussion, but this joker has derailed the discussion too many times and refused to take responsibility for being wrong always escalating it first. Actually I was here for the discussion and calling out the shills until this idiot decided to insult me at a very low level. Stray and Cyn and others called out this fool’s bs. It was plainly clear. Even RobB. Actually they shamed Peet far more than I did with lots of meme pics. Yet the coward continues to snipe at me because I’m actually the nicer of the lot and… Read more »
Pete
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I am using “shill” colloquially to refer to someone who is antagonizing and discouraging a victim’s voice from being heard and misrepresenting fraud. IT is not just selling books as dtchurn, as a shill, lied about by comparing “it” to thousands of trading authors in terms of culpability for harm caused to the trading community by misrepresenting himself. To market yourself as an actual professional trader with a live futures room, course, speaking gigs and then to lie to Emmett is despicable and show no regard for the people like me who believed in him for years. It is unacceptable… Read more »
dtchurn
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You’ve been ‘heard’ for so long gollum, just that you’re a total fool and demented idiot not to mention a lying troll using alters out of spite and fumbling with his thesaurus, LOL!

dtchurn
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LOL, only a insipid idiot demented diseased head as gollumpete would believe in b__Ks for years then try to drag me and others down to his cessmess mistakes. Hardly , only his diseased spite would lie about me being a shill. He didn’t even care to show up at the b__Ks events and didn’t send his own CFTC complaint in. LOL. The thing is , almost no one was stupid enough to be irresponsible in trading as this idiot was then trying to make a point of it on the boards in a trollish disgusting annoying and antagonizing everyone else… Read more »
Mike M
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Yes he creates more damage than most because Brooks is accepted by periodicals that are supposed to be the voice of credible futures information. I happen to agree that he creates more problems than just some live room because he seems to sell so many books, all with great reviews on Amazon. People believe his gibberish must be valid because it is hard to understand. I almost bought his books because of the great reviews, but I read parts and couldn’t understand a thing. I keep saying carry on the fight, don’t let up. Can’t there be a way to… Read more »
dtchurn
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MikeM, I don’t think you realize the trollish detesting nature of the gollum. He doesn’t even really care about Brooks anymore. It’s all his spite directed at me, since the others have shamed him enough for his idiocy he went back hiding in his hole only to come out ocassionaly or through his alters to take potshots. If one reads the entirety of posts, it’s all the truth. He insulted me with obscenities then tried to pathetically argue and escalate the nonsense to get away with it, when he was completely in the wrong and continues to show ignorance about… Read more »
Pete
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I’m going to give the devil his due and admit that your grotesque trolling of me in the Brooks comments, dtchurn’s humiliation of me convinced me not to complain about Rooks to the CFTC, and the fact that no one else seemed to feel set up to fail in trading by Rooks. The last thing I was expecting were all comments on a site dedicated to exposing frauds to be saying I need to take entirely, 100% take personal responsibility for my own actions after being tricked by a charlatan who had NO negative information published on him and that… Read more »
dtchurn
Guest

Too late for that now you lying pos. You’ve done all the escalating cess. Now you’ve lost all credibility. Go back to the hole you crawled out of loser. You never take responsibility. For one stop tagging my posts and using alters! But you won’t. So much crap coming from the scum bag who speaks both sides out of his mouth and stands for nothing except his ragespit all this time.

Pete
Guest

<3 lovely ragespit.

dtchurn
Guest
Complete nonsense. Anyone can see this troll got dumped by everyone before I even came on the picture because of his annoying jumping up and down about b__ks. Because he pathetically continues to target me because he fears the others commenters who shamed him worse than I did where they are mostly silent now leaving me to deal with the idiot troll mostly by myself. Then he insulted me without decorum just because he lost an argument then continued to try to rewrite his sordid uncouth history and even lying about me now besides his previous lies (he tries to… Read more »
Pete
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I tried to talk the git out of his “petty infighting and bigoted vendetta.” Did you miss the response? dtchurn: LOLOL, all the petedetithb__ks virtiol is guttysniping, that’s all it is LOL! nothing else matters to him now just his idiotic spite, how can he psychotically pretend to say otherwise now with a straight face. what a farce, completely lying about me when every one can attest to my fighting the shills, what disgusting pos. LOLOL, all the petedetithb__ks virtiol is guttysniping, that’s all it is LOL! nothing else matters to him now just his idiotic spite, how can he… Read more »
dtchurn
Guest

All that matter is that you’re a lying pos! A scumbag psychotic! using alters jsut for your ragespit!!
you’ve lost all credibility all of it!

dtchum
Guest

Hi Mike – Stealth marketing is the best kind and they may just be kings at it. Took me a long time to figure out what their angle is. And maybe I am just too skeptical, but when I see a dozen posts from those 2 each and every day dominating the “Recent Comment” list, it makes one wonder what hidden agenda they might have.

dtchurn
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drchump,( or rather gollum in the stinky alter disguise grasping at straws again, but I’ll indulge the pretense this time) , RobB and I are mainly commenting on the reviews as Emmett invites at the end of each of his articles, also being anti-shill to any shills who are ordered out of the termite log if the review happens to make the scam vendor hide under the desk of their shamshow generating computers sometimes blurting out “educational only!” in desperation. Granted there used to be others calling out the shamshows , but they seem to be on extended leave, or… Read more »
Rob B
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Dtchump, “Stealth marketing” Really!! Can your post get any more absurd? As I keep saying it is impossible to have an intelligent argument with a complete idiot. OK, I will play along. Gosh, you found me out. I am an actually an alien from out of space who has come here to brainwash the humans by using advanced subliminal messages in my post. If you read my post backwards it says, “DTchump is an idiot” For anyone with brain, I post here for the same reason anyone post regularly at a forum, I am passionate about the topic. By the… Read more »
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dtchurn
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RobB, or sure, he’s lashing out any way like a willfully stupid jester fool can. I still think this current incarnation in this thread is actually gollum again being desperate, but that aside, interesting to hear you’re a workout regular. Did you know way back, DavidAdmans did one of his stupid blog pages where he depicted you as a pencil thin squinty eyed looking weakling? I bet in reality you could haul his overweight a$$ into the lockup car and taken to the authorities where all the hordes of those he refund-scammed can get their clawbacks on him, lol. btw,… Read more »
Rob B
Guest
Dtchump, You clearly have some type of mental disease. You convenient ignore what I say and just post willfully stupid response again and again. Literally you give new meaning to taking words out of context and making fact less statements. 99% of your post are only about attacking anyone who calls out scammers. That is literally your only purpose. You say which post? I say just read any of your post. Let’s just take this thread for example. You don’t have a single post that has any relevance or information about the article Emmett wrote on Topstep-trader-vs-oneup-trader. In fact doing… Read more »
dtchurn
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RobB, I hear you about this going tussle between me and gollum, but I wouldn’t relate it to the tst vs. one-up pic. First of all , that primitive dance to death is reserved for the shills and lawsuits battling it with each other, the willfully stupid shills and lying sham artists vs. themselves. No gollumpeet has institageted every new bout of on attack, while I had been peacefully posting my own thoughts, it’s like the gollum from far away from peeking over a floating termite infested log over the cesspool , then takes a potshot, or alternately like Bigfoot… Read more »
dtchurn
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RobB I would be the same as you concerning the gollum. but the pos continues to attack me with guttysnipes, like how he couldn’t help but slime on my post, and previously made references to m my past posts even when not in the same thread, as his alters i.e. guttysnipe potshots. Just because gollumpeet was dumped on by everyone else and ran away back to his hole, he tries to have revenge on me as a target just like he formerly tried to wail about b__Ks bothering everyone until everyone made him shut up his inanity. Not taking responsibility… Read more »
dtchum
Guest

Show me a post where I have defended a con artist. Please post the link. Oh that is right, you can link to what DOES NOT EXIST.

As for me, I am not associated with any TR – I am just someone who dislikes churn and his holier-than-thou attitude…

Rob B
Guest
dtchum, You must be kidding! All you do is make willfully stupid post about folks here that warn people against these con artist and demand they show proof of their claims. Just read your post. As I stated last time when you just made idiotic post against me, I cannot recall you posting anything informative or relevant to the article written or in response to another poster. 99% of you post are some silly attack against a poster that serves no purpose. In fact your alias was created for the sole purpose to just attack another poster.
dtchurn
Guest

Yup , Pete again, LOL!

James Mincell
Guest

damn you guys really go after each other on here.Never a dull moment.

dtchurn
Guest

I would put it another way imo. We go after only shills, vendor scum and resident fools who post distracting nonsense and have lost all credibility playing both sides using sticky alter costumes, of shills vs. reviews. And we are often helpful and empathetic to real victims who take real responsibility for being duped. Such as when RobB suggested tipranks.com when so many asked him for just a tip or a recommended free tool site. I’d agree , it makes for some drama. But a willfully ignorant shill that pops up in their own review, often suffices.

dtchurn
Guest
One of my favorite posts back then about the troll which so aptly started the naming of the gollum: ” Rob B You know I have too many fights with shills to fight with some obsessed with Al Brooks. So this will probably be my last post to Pete. I can not imagine how this is a response to Gaspy’s post, but when I read it, this image pops into my mind with the words: Where is my Precious Al Brooks Review http://www.screencast.com/t/XaeOetfsy8 ” And there were plenty of other related post pics about the blithering clown. So being so… Read more »
Mike M
Guest
How about Top Step Trader closes down their carnival act and scurries into a hole with the money they defrauded from the public. Well of course that won’t happen, it’s like asking a pig to stop gorging itself with the food right in front of them. Either offer a fair product or go away and get a job that creates value for society. I’m sure they enjoy counting the money like an old miser. Everyone of the vendors that advertises with TST as way to help traders improve is just as guilty, but they purport themselves to be legit. They… Read more »
Rob B
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“Top Step Trader closes down their carnival act” Why would they when they make money, the regulators don’t care and there are enough gullible people to give them money at the chance to make a fortune. I know people hate it when I post facts, but the whole Day Trading industry is one big scam. From day trading rooms, from day trading indicator sellers, from Day Trading Educators, from TST, from T3 and so forth. All telling folks they too can make their fortune with some small account and by using massive leverage. It reminds of the little old lady… Read more »
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Mike M
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As usual Rob of course you are correct they will not close down the cash cow. I’m just curious about how they portray themselves to their families and friends that are not in the know. Do they say hey I’m this big venture capital guy helping traders that cannot get adequate capital. Do they believe their lies and love to walk the part knowing fair well they run a circus stand like 3 card monte. Are they proud because they are smart enough to bilk the unsuspecting? I really would like to know if they ever lose any sleep for… Read more »
Rob B
Guest
I mentioned in the MES review I thought that business model was flawed and would fail and I will tell you why I think that. IMHO this is similar to the problem with Obama Care. You end up with all the healthy folks leaving and end up with a pool of very sick people. Let say you have this underfunded amazing trader who does not even have the funds to open a futures account. He then passes the combine and starts to make money. Why would he stay with a company taking part of this profits. As soon as he… Read more »
Brad
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Having a funded account with a company like OneUp/TopStep is not mutually exclusive with also having a personal trading account. There are no contractual restrictions, non-competes, etc., that would limit your ability to own multiple trading accounts or work for several companies simultaneously. As a result, no, talent is not going to leave, because the high-performing trader can simultaneously manage a multitude of subsidiary accounts with relative ease — in concept, it’s basically like having several internet browser tabs open. In the most basic situation, a successful trader is obviously going to have both a OneUp/TopStep account AND a personal… Read more »
M.G.
Guest

Emmett, correct me if I am wrong, but there is also Savius.
And comparing TST; OneUp and Savius, Savius seems most honest of them all.

So, Mr. Patak is going hard after anyone who tries to take monopoly out. I hope this is just a start, and that in near future more companies will pop up.
More of them, better for traders.

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