The Pitbull Trader
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Summary
Doran Rosianu of The Pitbull Trader wants you to believe that he easily earns $10,000 each day, trading futures contracts. His YouTube channel is populated with promotional videos that appear to be nothing more than Ninja Trader’s live market replay–where he uses the typical slight-of-hand trick of winning on a simulator.
For only a limited time and only $2k, he “Wants to help humanity become wealthy like me” with his super-secret trading indicator that is “the most profitable trading method in human history.”
An absolute shit show of marketing nonsense.
Avoid like an angry rattlesnake snake trapped in a toilet.
Thanks for reading today’s review of The Pitbull Trader
On March 6, 2018, we received a review request of The Pitbull Trader . A reader had found a futures trading educational website named: The Pitbull Trader, as well as a YouTube channel where the owner was claiming to “earn $10,000 per day” trading futures contracts. The reader was extremely suspicious and requested an official review.
The Pitbull Trader is currently selling two products:
- $99 per month which includes a training library and access to a ‘secret indicator’ named iPivot.
- $1995 one time fee which includes everything in the monthly plan. But no monthly fees.
The owner of The Pitbull Trader is a person named Doron Rosianu, who is currently living in Toronto, Canada.
According to The Pitbull Trader website, and I quote verbatim…
“I have perfected a pivot-trading method” that “is the most profitable trading method ever developed in human history!” Yes, he actually uses an apostrophe to drive home the point that his trading method is, “THE MOST PROFITABLE TRADING METHOD IN HUMAN HISTORY!”
Wow, if true, then mankind can take a breather because nobody on the planet will ever have money problems again. We can all just buy this magical trading indicator and retire to a lifestyle of unlimited shrimp cocktail, and bikini babes lounging by the pool of our mega-mansion.
All kidding aside. Let’s take a closer look at the supposed performance claims of this supposed super trader ‘The Pitbull Trader’ named Doron Rosianu.
Performance Claims of The Pitbull Trader
According to Doron Rosianu’s YouTube webpage, he is making some truly astounding performance claims. On average, he claims to earn about $10,000 per day, trading futures contracts. Considering that there are 22 trading days in the month, this would mean that Doron typically earns about $220,000 each and every month.
Additionally, Dorn Rosianu also claims to only be trading 1.5 to 2 hours each day.
Which really makes you wonder, if you were earning $220,000 each month from your futures trading…would you be selling your super-secret trading indicator for $99 per month?
Have a look at this wonderful marketing hype…
Truly incredible performance. But who is Doron ‘The Pitbull’ Rosianu?
Contacting Doran Rosianu
According to the YouTube promotional webpage, Doron recommends that you contact him via Skype for a ‘special’ one-on-one presentation and demonstration of his awesome trading skills.
We were certainly excited. On his YouTube promotional webpage, it clearly states the following…
“I’ve got trading “tricks” and secrets that will blow your socks off! Believe it or not, much of this information is so electrifying, it is unknown to 99.99% of all traders out there. And now you can use these secrets for yourself.”
“Professional traders, fund managers, and hedge funds with stratospheric I.Q.s would burst their brains trying to get their hands on this info.”
Don’t believe me? Simply read the comments at the bottom of the YouTube promotional videos. It’s just the corniest and most scam worthy crap that the internet has ever witnessed.
Regardless, we decided to push forward and subject ourselves to the one-on-one sales presentation with Doron ‘The Pitbull Trader’ Rosianu.
Using Skype, and a fresh alias, we finally connected with Doron. He sounds like a middle-aged man and has a fast and silvery tongue. He proceeded to proclaim that his trading method is truly amazing and has earned millions of dollars over the past 20 years of trading futures contracts.
He said that he has made so much money that he just wants to “give something back to humanity” and that “I truly am satisfied when I can bring financial freedom to students and change their lives for the better.”
On and on he poured this dribble out of his mouth. As my eyes glazed over, I began to wonder if he would ever stop talking about his financial successes and something about changing the world.
I have to say one thing about Doron. He is one hell of a good talker. For every question that I peppered him during our conversation…he fired back with the seasoned skill that only a professional con artist could possibly display.
Folks, I know con artists. As a former con artist myself…I can spot them extraordinarily fast. Doron has real skills.
Is the performance real?
Over and over I asked Doron…can you show me account statements that verify these supernatural trading gains? His response was well-rehearsed and reminiscent of some of the worlds best carnival barkers. He would cleverly slip out of the question and respond with the same well-worn cliches that we typically hear…
“It is not legal for me to show this information” or “Someone might steal my identity” or “My wife is not comfortable with this” or “My lawyers said absolutely not” on and on it went.
Triple Money Back Guarantee!
In lieu of not showing actual proof that he was trading successfully, he supposedly offers a Triple Your Money Back Guarantee. As Doran explained, if any customer is absolutely not satisfied with their purchase, he will gladly refund the customer 300% of the original purchase price. Really?
So I told Doron, OK…I will purchase 10 of the $2k trading packages, and if I am not happy, then you are going to send me $60k? He replied, “absolutely, if you are not happy, then I will gladly send you $60k.” However, you must first prove that my super-secret trading method does not actually work.
Always a catch. The fine print. You really have to laugh at this.
We concluded our conversation with a promise to connect later. I consider this review our official reconnection.
Did “The Pres” busted Doron again as he is taking another 5 months vacation?
Doron is now on Elite Trader
https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/pitbull-trader-on-youtube.332625/ as a sponsor and still lying and telling everyone that he is trading “live” with real money. He stated that there are 2 sides to every stories and I posted my experience as an ex-student. The post was approved but then later was pulled and now I don’t have privileges to post on that thread. He is now paying Elite Trader to suppress voices so that he can cons new victims.
Horrible. I would have thought better of Elite Trader. Not good.
There is no vetting on fake id’s who are actually vendors or vendor shills on Elite. And it’s actually Handley or his shills who are perpetuating that new Doron thread putting out that fake smokescreen distraction about Alex Wasileski or whoever again trying to divert away from posts informing that Handley makes income vig from his “grand tetons” vendors, a fraudulent conflict of interest of reviewing, not to mention his wife runs their own scam fake results titan site also. Thanks for making the old Doron review accessible again Emmett. It looks like this site had been going through some overhaul lately and some old reviews and their comments might have been disconnected.
Alex W and Handley…wow, what a feud these guys have. I have spoken to both over the telephone and they go back and forth like cats and dogs.
Alex W, if you ever speak with him on the telephone, it’s a real hoot. I thought about writing an article titled “The Grand Old Bastard of Trading Rooms” and highlighting all of the trading rooms that were launched by his former students. We are talking about dozens.
One story, in particular, is quite funny. Apparently, Alex W had this stalker lady that flew from Mexico to “learn his secrets” and he ended up having a 7-day sexual adventure that nearly killed him. Apparently, Alex W is middle-aged and his love making skills were a little dull. But he sure obliged the latina and a fiery romp ensued. Alex W gave me all the juicy details and it was definitely too much information, but Alex W described the adventure like Tarzan venturing through the jungle.
The lady’s desire could not be quenched and Alex W feared he would not survive. He ended up taking her to the airport and flying her home to Mexico.
Apparently, she had sucked nearly all the life (and secrets) from Alex W and she ended up starting her own trading room.
This is only one of many interesting stories. Say what will about Alex W…but I prefer to entitle him the “The Grand Old Bastard Of Trading Rooms.”
I really have no comment on Alex Wasileski as I luckily never got into any of his past rooms or sites. I only heard about the name when Handley or his shills started posting the poster who just mentioned in the Elitetrader “scam unregulated thread” that the new gannedge review and how the victim was led astray by Handley’s scam teton reviews was Alex W. Handley even made a new yt video review about puretick and AlexW at the same time leading me to believe he is posting with about ten fake-id’s on Elite in that thread just to try to divert attention from the gannedge review and how Handley has been receiving vig for his titans that every newb trader should be aware of. But impressed as always on how much you know about these scammer characters and how they operate.
Very interesting thread, but I’m a little confused. What is the difference if he trades sim or live? The market moves the same either way and he is obviously not trading or showing market replay trades, so they are in fact live trades. He has no way of knowing what will happen next.
Then buy his course and watch your money go bye bye
Hmn… maybe I am missing something here, but when you watch his videos, his students are in fact doing very well. He even shows a bunch of students that trade their live account
No worries mate, there is no difference in how the market moves in sim vs. live. The only difference is in the fills. As long as he is not doing market replay, it’s all the same.
Take the bashing here with a grain of salt. Real traders don’t bother hanging around forums like this. The gurus here couldn’t trade their way out of a paper bag otherwise they wouldn’t be here in the 1st place looking for an audience. They just feel better convincing themselves that their opinion actually matters, and spew their ignorance to anyone that is nieve enough to listen. Doran might not be trading cash, but he certainly isn’t trading market replay. So yes, it’s all the same.
Real or not real, it’s impossible to trade and have an exclamation mark (!) beside your (account) name. I even called Ninjatrader and spoke to Patrick about it and even he said that it’s impossible. Either way, who cares
I think he improved a lot his scam, now he’s not showing his ‘live’ PnL and I think He’s taking all the divergences he sees and then edits the video for showing only the good ones and some losers to make 20k in less than 2 hours. But please explain two things How da f** can you name a SIM account with an ! on it and how can he show at the end of the “session” the correct PnL on his control center? Can you unveil his new scam? Pd: I was one of his students, tried his method for a long time on SIM and LIVE but was impossible to make money consistently as him, even though, it was impossible not to lose my money 🙁
Did you get your refund?
Wow I almost just bought his “software” for $1400, but when he emailed me what seemed to be a “sales letter” it made me much more skeptical. Glad I googled his Youtube name first! Thanks everyone for saving my ass on this..
Doron’s system is so good that he is making $50,000 of SIM money per week and he’s now reducing the price from $1,600 (when I bought on 3/5/18) down to $1,400? All of his students are on SIM and not making money.
03/05 03/06 PAYPAL *ROSIANU 1,600.00
I don’t know how many times we have to repeat this. Doran is a fraud. He has been proven to be a FAKE over and over again. He trades in SIM. I feel sorry for his son. Imagine knowing your Dad is a fake charlatan fraudster, conning people out of their hard earned cash. It must be devastating. What a role model. Poor family.
Everybody needs to go here;
https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/programs/about-canada-revenue-agency-cra/suspected-tax-cheating-in-canada-overview.html
Report Doran and link to his YouTube videos. They will certainly be interested in his tax return (he is only intelligent enough to get a job as a barista at Second Cup) not lining up with his so called income of SIM dollars.
The last time I’ve spoken to Doron, the price was still $1600, and yes, I am his student!
Hello Emmett,
I posted about pitball this morning but still is not showing here, can you please let me know why you are not confirming my post?
can you explain further please?
If you have real live order in market, those has to show between Bid and Ask, as you see he has 19 contracts to sell at 6967.00 while in actual market there are just 5 contracts waiting to be sold. if that 19 contracts were live account then the DOM MUST show 19+5=24 contracts, so he is doing Sim. He missed it this time again, as he did in April, I think it is time for her wife to buy a surprise ticket for him and disappear for another 5 months, to figure out another way of stealing desperate peoples money. Shame on you Doron, Man go get a job.
Busted again, time for another “forced vacation”. I’m an ex-student of Doron since March of 2018 and can tell you that this divergence crap doesn’t work. You’ll notice that he’ll never shows you his entries sometimes the exits but got lazy this time and got busted. Stay far away from this low life scumbag.
To clarify, I’ve been following this thread now for a while and no, I’m not pitbull. Not sure exactly how you came up with your theory about the DOM not displaying enough contracts but this is not how things works. Don’t think that by pitbull trying to sell on a certain price level, that you would have to see those number of contracts inside the DOM, that is not how things work!
Stop Nonsense, Mike ( Doran) , enough bulshi… if you have traded Live account before and you know what you are talking about, you know that your orders has to be in the DOM, otherwise you are sim trading. this is an enlightenment for those who believe Doran is trading live account, I have purchased his course and it is nothing more than Divergence. He is not trading live account and his system doesn’t work. If you have traded NQ you know that it is impossible to put 20 contracts and all of them fills in the same price. IMPOSSIBLE.
I leave the rest for the people to decide. If someone has 2K extra to pay him, sure go ahead.
This is for you Bast..rd Doron, Stop this and go get a job instead of stealing from damaged traders who are looking for a system and hopping. It shows how garbage person you are.
See the chart guys and decide yourself if he is trading real or not. Nothing more to say.
Doron increased his risk on the NQ from 10 ticks to 15 ticks and reward from 30 ticks to 46 ticks lately since the NQ is very volatile and the risk to reward still maintain 1 to 3. His contract however stayed the same as before which is 20 contracts which makes no sense if you were trading with real money since he increased the risk per trade from $1,000 to $1,500. Real traders with real money would have decrease the amount of contract so you won’t lose more than $1,000 per trade.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Am0Vao4FdCU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBA5hOzzEI0
i bet he is not trading real account because every time he trade 20 contracts, all 20 of them get filled without slippeage and he always say on his video ” wow lot of slippeage”. Every looser traders always say , trading with sim money is so easy to make profit but when it comes to real money, your brain won’t work same way.
Shitbull is a scam. How does he new videos show you name yet when he clicks to show his account detail there is no cash value in his account. its veri strrange.
thats easy to take away in the settings. The point is we will never know until he shows a legitimate account statement. he talks so much shit and shows the biggest numbers I have seen from a retail trader. He calculates his profits in “ticks” even though he trades 10 lots. So when he makes 6k for the day he calls it “60 ticks” hes stupid, inexperienced and fake until proven real.
Ask him that
His main method is use 4,100 tick chart MACD cross down or up for sell mode or buy mode. He have his own indicator but its exactly same as above i just mentioned. Whenever 4,100 macd is cross down,its sell mode and you only look for short the NQ whenever you see divergenace. He doesn’t know where the market wants to go and also he make you buy overflow indicator for extra cost. When you post letter at his youtube video, other people can’t see your post. Why don’t you write something at his youtube video and use different youtube account and see if your post letter is there or not.
So does that method of using the 4,100 tick chart MACD cross over as a trend and looking for divergences in that direction work?
yes, whenever 4,100 tick macd cross down, you only sell when 144 tick shows macd div. He have no knowledge where the market likes to go to next level. He just trade like a machine with his divergeance method. After i watch his video and bought the pdf file for $1,600 and i thought im gonna be rich like him but now i know why 85% people loose money in this market. i gave several of my online friends and they said they are not profitable using his method.
can you send me the PDF?
If this is fake how come no one has proved that it is fake? I am interested in his system but I have to admit he does make it look too easy. But most professionals make things look easy to amateurs. Please comment.
We did prove he was faking it back in April. In his older videos you could prove how he was trading sim by using Market Replay in NinjaTrader. It blew him out of the water for 5 months, until he came up with his next scheme. Now he slightly improved his faking skills and is trying again. Once a crook, always a crook.
If this is fake, how come no one has been able to prove that it is fake? I have t admit he does make it look way too easy, but so does a professional at anything to an amateur. Please comment.
Try reading the comments. That might clear things up for you. Especially comments by The Pres. You’re welcome.
The Pres already made videos showing how he fake it. I’m an ex-student of his and wouldn’t trade it with your money.
Looks like Shitbull went on a thumbs down campaign on all the negative comments about his scam. What a douchebag.
“Shitbull.” OMG, I am laughing my ass off.
He upload video everyday on Youtube and trying to attract people doing 20 contracts on NQ. his method is just ridiculous and i did share his method several my friends but they didn’t get good either. Whenever he said ” he just joined and he made 40 ticks” and don’t be fool by those word because he doesnt’ want to say ” he joined yesterday and he LOST 40 ticks”. Pitbull Doron guy is very well trained trader so most people can do like him. his method is too common and you can find his method all over from Youtube.
85% people loose in the market so not anybody can be like Doron.
i bought Doron Pitbull Trader and he have no knowledge of trading. No price action at all and he doesn’t know where the market wants to go. All he did was using big tick chart using MACD buy mode and sell mode lagging ocillator and trade with very small size tick chart and trade whatever divergeance appear and take trade. I want my fucking $1600 back!!!!!!
Yeah there is no secret to his method. Just a simple stochastic divergence setup with some multiple time frame mixed in. Super standard stuff you can read anywhere online.
All his prior videos are gone and new ones are up.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeaQqanXGSgL7ignYJX3y4w/videos
He deleted his past videos so there will be no trace of his past scam. Why would someone deleted all of their videos if there is no wrong doing? He is looking for new victims with his new scam and I guarantee he will not honor his money back guarantee.
how he fuck is this guy faking it? seems like his account shows a real one. if you add up his gains its over 150k for the month of sept LOL!!
someone really needs to report him. Emmit get this guy put away please.
Yeah, this guy is a real fraud, still faking it. He knew his previous videos were sitting there as proof of him being a scam artist, so he removed them.
There are many ways to fake this stuff. NinjaTrader let’s you create countless sim accounts and give them any name you like. Even names that resemble live accounts.
That is why he had to take 5 months of “vacation” to figure out the new scam.
https://ninjatrader.com/support/forum/forum/suggestions-and-feedback/suggestions-and-feedback-aa/40686-sim-account-labeling?t=39698
so if he has the ! in his account that means it s real account right? AS I was told my Ninjatrader also that this cannot be faked.
No a ! in the account doesn’t mean anything. Can still be a sim account.
I bought his course… even worked with him 1 on 1 and could never make consistent profit. Probably because it’s not possible without knowing what the market is going to do on replay. I pleaded with him and he refused to refund me and just kept saying I need to trade on the live data (even SIM) and do a team viewer with him so he can point out my mistakes and make me better. He never was able to do this successfully. I disputed with Paypal and he won. Please DO NOT buy this rediculous system… it was a total waste of money. I am now trading and doing well with another system. You can see my results (in real time on youtube under storm trader. I am not selling anything.. just sharing my results. Nothing more as I like making videos. -)
Can you send me his course
Me 2
He went on “vacation” on 4/11/18 to Las Vegas for 1 weeks then told everyone that he extended his “vacation” until 4/30/18. It is now closed to 2 months and he is telling everyone that he will be back soon. How can someone go on vacation and not knowing when they’ll be back? Doron, why don’t you post a picture of you flight ticket? Oh never mind because that can be photoshop too.
How did you get your refund? I requested one from Paypal and was denied. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
You need to file a dispute stating that he is running a scam using “replay” and not with real money. Click on the transaction then click on report a problem. Select I didn’t receive an item I purchased or the item received was significantly not as described. Give me your skype id if you need more help.
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This is what I got when I filed a dispute. Should I just open a new claim?
Don’t believe you can open multiple dispute for the same transaction. He contacted me and paid the same day I opened the dispute. He might be running out of money as he is not “live” trading anymore and probably too many people filing disputes to get their money back from this cons.
Your supporting document is his triple money back guarantee from his website and his videos.
Attached is his guarantee. It is no longer triple money back but he reduced down to double money back. I downloaded the guarantee before he either take it off or shut down his website.
Good luck with all the people that took this long to request the money back and still believe that con artist is still on vacation. You all better wake up and file a PayPal dispute before he runs out of real money unless you want him to pay you with that SIM money.
David, what did Doron say when you asked him for a refund? or did you ask him directly?
you should send paypal a link to the video by the pres and explain how he is trading a recorded market and deceiving people as if hes is trading live. Also include a copy of his refund policy.
you should send pay pal a link to the video by the pres and explain how he is trading a recorded market and deceiving people as if hes is trading live. Also include a copy of his refund policy.
Why not asking Doron, first?
Reposting of the Doron scam busting video as my YouTube burner account got burned :-).
How to spot a fake trader on YouTube !
https://vimeo.com/269494590
I tried comparing some charts to some of Dorons recordings and on the recordings i looked at is really hard for me to notice anything abnormal with the charts themselves were exactly in sync with mine. The only thing im not sure of is about the Dom as you explained with the 1 second movement. Its hard for me to really notice unless i had an actual recording of my Dom for that day and had it side by side, i would think that would be a clear indication of anyone playing replay would be a recorded live Dom next to a replay Dom. Some of the vids i watched his Dom was moving all over the place like the real one, and others it seems like maybe it was in 1 second movements, anyway I obviously am one of Pit Bulls students, if any of his students have clear evidence of anything fake please contact me so we can discuss. Skype me @ ZenTrader
Allan, please look at my below attachment for his last video of April 9th. You better get your money back quick before he run out of money.
He told me that he was taking a trip to Las Vegas for 1 week then suddenly he is taking a “forced” vacation and disappear for 1.5 months leaving all of his students hanging because he knows that he has been caught.
FYI, your transactions are protected through PayPal for 180 days. All of Doron’s students need to file a dispute before it’s too late and before he runs out of “real” money. I have his system and wouldn’t trade it with your “real” money.
Hi Allan, you don’t need a recording to set side by side. The evidence of double speed replay on the later videos is conclusive as explained in the video. Just analyze a time slice of bars in his videos, how long it takes and compare it to your own charting package. You will see his data stream is running at double speed, yet his voice and mouse cursor are running at single speed. That only has one explanation. He is running in replay mode at double speed.
The Pres is 100% correct. Doran faked it all.
Historically with NT7, the bid and ask traded volume was not available in an orderly fashion. The reason was the time stamp granularity of 1 second that was imposed by NinjaTrader, so it made it impossible to synchronize order book data with trade data.
Doran tried to circumvent this by speeding up his market replay to appear as if it were live / real-time data. To the untrained eye, it looks convincing, but to somebody that has written code for NT7 and NT8 it is so obvious what he is doing. It is amazing he has been getting away with it for so long.
With NinjaTrader 8, it is possible to load bid and asked data which is synchronized with trade data, due to microsecond granularity. However, this multiplies the weight of your historical data base, but will make it much easier for the fakers to fake.
On YouTube, he is mostly responding to himself with fake/multiple YouTube accounts.
To confirm. Doran is as fake as snake oil. You should all ask the CRA (Canada Revenue Agency) to investgate him. I mean they will want to see taxes on all of those sim dollars…
Uuuh. It must really hurt to have to pay real money taxes on Sim dollars, but that would kill all fakery really fast.
This is Cuong Vu aka “Dragon” and I’m one of Doron’s ex-student. I used to go out of my way to defend my so call mentor (I even posted here defending him) until The Pres opened my eyes. Thank you The Pres saving me and hopefully others from this cons.
I traded his methodology on SIM for 3 weeks and did ok therefore I traded with real money for 3 weeks and make a small loss. I understand why Doron keeps a trading journal and it is to know the exact time to enter a profitable trade and he traded on his “replay” and SIM account. The methodology is discreet therefore not everybody taking the same trade and the same price. He only shows his students trades when they are profitable and does not show when they are not profitable.
I told Doron from day 1 that I’m a struggling trader for the last 20 years and I’m very tired of all the cons in this business that stole my money. There are consequences to your actions as you are a thief and I’ll not rest until you’re put away.
I posted a comment on his last video on April 9th asking why there is a different between his video and real live feed from NinjaTrader and of course he deleted my comment especially a challenge from a student of his. Hope you come back soon from your “forced” vacation as there are many people think that you’re their hero.
https://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/doron-the-pitbull-trader-rosianu/-/doron-the-pitbull-trader-rosianu-doron-rosianu-the-pitbull-trader-mentor-daytrading-em-1442181
Hi Cuong, I’m glad you were able to see through his scam and thank you for posting your experience. Make sure to ask for your refund.
Already got my refund back.
HI- can you share that system if you already have it to test. Thank you and appreciate it.
Sorry, I’m not going to share something that I don’t trade myself. You can purchase it from Doron and he’ll probably give you a great discount.
Hi Vu, i contacted deron the other day and called him out…he bad mouthed me all the way. i told him he should not fake his trading account and he said he would find a way to show everyone he is using a real account. Anyways i want to tell you my story. I’ve been trading for 10 years struggling and thought deron would helped me, but i almost bought his system, but luckily i backed out because i wanted to see how he fairs in 1 year of trading. Anyways I have developed my own trading strategy and it working like a charm right now. Trading is a lot like surfing or finish or even gold. Just need an edge and good system. if you want to talk me please let me know and maybe i can help you with your trading.
You said that you’re a struggling trader and almost bought his system but you also said that you developed a successful strategy?????
Hi Vu….yes…I’ve been trading many years struggling….but this year I finally got it down…..I’ve been doing very well the last 3 months trading small with 1 contract with real money……it took me a long time…but I figured it out….
I trade on a higher tick chart using the 555 tick and 2220 tick…..I know deron uses 89 tick but its way too fast for newbie traders in my opinion….the 555 tick is just perfect….it a bit slowly which means less trading but higher probability….
FYI, Doron doesn’t trade. He is using the replay mode with SIM.
Cuong Vu, I think you know what Kjordan means by “I know deron uses 89 tick” He’s offering to share his strategy with you for free. I can’t hurt to listen. If he tries to charge you for it then you know he’s full of it and just move on.
Please give me your contact info.
Hi Cuong Vu,
you can message me thru here….
https://www.tradingview.com/u/ZenMasterFX/
i do forex and futures….
Can you able to guide us with a video or a step by step document on that strategy. Thank You and appreciated.
Must be nice to go on vacation for 1 month. I guess this website and The Pres really mess up his business.
Yeah, unfortunately his YouTube channel stays out there as a huge billboard to fake trading. Attracting new unsuspecting victims. Can’t get YouTube to take it down. Oh well. He’ll return one day with a new and improved scam.
I suspect that he’s gone Gollum and is searching for his precious that The Pres took away from him. Attached is a picture of Doron at the very moment he realized The Pres had exposed his scam.
And this is Doron when he thinks about Emmett.
YouTube will shut down his channel if too many people flag it.
Hey Doron, you need to say Happy Birthday to my “Big Brother” as he turned “144” years old today.
Emmet your review is a joke. Doron needs just to ignore you and all yours “ friends”.
All I know , is that last month I purchased his system and now I’m officially retired! Yes you heard that. Made 1000% and I don’t owe you any proof. You can continue to be a hater while I make another 1000%-5000% so I can laugh on you all while drinking cool aid on my private island!
You purchased last month…and now are officially retired? Darn, I need to get on board this super-amazing trading software and make all my money problems a thing of the past.
Also, I need to immediately purchase all of the copies currently for sale on Ebay. How could such an amazing money making secret be for sale on Ebay? This is an injustice and it must be stopped.
Big Shot, what are the 7 stages of desperation for a shill when they realize that they’ve been scammed? Stupidity must one of them.
Well, well, look at that, Mr. Doron is back from his forced “vacation”. Big shot = Doron. Just look at the outrageous claims, bad spelling and incorrect punctuation. It looks exactly like his silly marketing copy. He can’t even successfully pose as a shill. What a douche.
Yes ! Big gains only for people that willing to learn.
You don’t have to be GOAT player to be excellent coach. Lol
This isn’t Doron. I don’t care about him.
1000% to all!
You can report that he is running a scam and YouTube will shut down his channel. Click on his channel, click on about then click on the flag to report.
Shutting down his YouTube account will prevent others from being scam. You can also file a dispute with PayPal if you are his clients. PayPal will shut down his account if he have too many complaints. File a report with the Canadian Anti-Fraud Centre using the below link and he will be out of business forever.
http://www.antifraudcentre-centreantifraude.ca/reportincident-signalerincident/index-eng.htm
You have provided very useful information Dragon. I hope his customers read it and act on it. Doron is a career fraudster and he won’t stop until authorities intervene.
In other news this is Real!
Well, you’re in luck!
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Emmett I thought you were the boss LOL
makes you say hmmmmm
This should be fun and interesting.
I see PitBull removed the video he put up regarding Trading School. Hasn’t posted a video in over a week. No student updates. Is he in Canadian jail?
He’s probably planning his next move. Online it’s all about controlling the information. His video about Trading School was a direct link from his channel to this website exposing him as a fraud. It’s not in his best interest to have that link. The same for a lot of the comments. He removes most of the negative comments on his channel. I know because my comments aren’t posted most of the time. As long as he can control the information on his channel and reach hundreds of new traders every month, he’s going to make his money. Let’s just hope traders google his name before spending $1600.
Exactly. It is obvious that he has multiple fake YouTube accounts so he can comment on his own videos and pat his own back. There is quite a simple way you can tell.
The truth never goes away. Doran is a fraud and has been conning people by pretending. Pretending that he is trading live, with a real account in real time with real dollars.
He may have been busy trying to franchise out Second Cup coffee shops…
According to his last posted video, he’s on “vacation” and extended until 30 April. Is that pitbullshit for, they won’t accept my fake sim money for bail?
LOL! Yeah, trying to pay bail with SIM dollars. Too funny.
He uses 20 contracts all the time in his videos. So just divide by 10 and remember to factor in the losses he hides , so without those flashy thousand $ numbers it’s easy to see how lousy a sim piker he is.
OMG….this sounds like a fraud case. i almost bought doron’s course. It sounded too good to be true. I wonder how many of his students are consistently profitable. You can sell a system and make money. But why is it so hard to not show people your real account? if its fake he is hiding something…..why hide if its the truth! so i see he has not been showing any of his trades for the past week. I guess the truth is coming out. so lucky i didn’t buy his course.
I’m sure he’s lining up his next scam. He made too much easy money with the last one. He’s going to find a way to show his “real” account number in the screen (which will be a sim account). And I’m sure he’s trying to find a solution for the obvious Market Data Replay issue.
For sure. He is probably working on it right now…
1. The account number is actually quite easy to do. He can probably either composite a still image of his account number over his SIM DOM when he processes the video, or a more complex way will be to composite a video image. Either way, easy to fake.
2. He got busted with the market replay data because the NinjaTrader 7 bid and ask traded volume was not available in an orderly fashion. The reason here is that the time stamp granularity of 1 second imposed by NinjaTrader 7 made it impossible to synchronize order book data with trade data. With NinjaTrader 8, it is possible to load bid and ask data which is synchronized with trade data, due to microsecond granularity. Doran could switch to NinjaTrader 8 to get over this issue.
3. He could spend some time faking a brokerage statement. At this point in time, this is probably his easiest option although there is a lot of data on a statement so he will have to be diligent.
It is possible to trace the CME TRADE NUMBER that will be on his statement to each trade, so he probably won’t show these. Also, a few strings could lead to somebody at IB puking him up ;-). That is of course dependent on a) his name is what he says it is, b) he is actually with IB and c) he isn’t trading through a LTD company or Sole Proprietor.
And then there is the Canada Revenue Agency. I have already forwarded his name (we are at this point assuming it is what he says it is) to investigate him. After all his claims of “real” profitability, he still has to pay tax doesn’t he. Trust me, these guys love and I mean *love* tracking people like this down.
Good work on exposing this fraud.
Like he found a way to show the real account. Check the new vids.
I signed up a few months ago. Not sure what to think. I see he runs a Facebook group. https://www.facebook.com/groups/2155113488055780/
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You’re not sure what to think! God help you because if you’ve read Emmett’s review, read the posts in the comment section, seen how Doron refuses to produce any proof that he trades, been educated by “The Pres” exactly how Doron not only trades in sim but produces trading videos from recorded data and how read the posts of some of his former students stating that they realize that they have been scammed and are asking for their money back, if after all of that you don’t know what to think then how is it that you manage to breathe?
Has a members Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/2155113488055780/
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Great. Join it and ask Doron for verified trading statements. Ask him to explain why he’s trading in Sim and why he’s producing winning trade videos using recorded data. God you shills are getting desperate.
I had the Pitbull course I got it for free from one of those trading forex education materials site. I emailed doron for assistance but since I didnt buy thru him he wouldn’t help. So I questioned why the “author” referred to themself as Inga(a female name) he said that he is Inga and who would purchase a course from a guy named Doron. Googling doron rosianu online not even a photo of him shows up that should have been a red flag for potential buyer/students.
I wonder if he recycled someone’s else’s system and claimed it as his own. There’s a lot of that in the Forex world. I have seen some vendors change a moving average from 9 to 12, add their own term names to well known candle stick patterns and hey presto here’s “my” trading system that I’m selling for $300.
Look, for sure his method is nothing special. Trading stochastic divergences is as old as time itself. And his indicator can be easily mimicked with a fast stochastic. If he can market that, sell it and teach it to people, more power to him. What he can not do is make false claims about his “live” trading. That’s where he went wrong.
I agree with you. If Doron had marketed his system, traded it live or said he was trading in Sim, been honest about the return he was getting, not made unsubstantiated or unrealistic claims in his pitch to customers there probably wouldn’t have been any review in the first place. There’s a great need for accurate trader education with verified returns so that people have a realistic expectation of what they can expect to make from trading. It’s not sexy but the truth is that (at least for me) you need to compound your profits for years in order to build up a trading account to a size that it has the potential to earn you enough money to replace an income. And even then, that income is a lot less certain than income derived from a job.
Amen to that Stray Dog. Success for most people is much more assured by copying Warren Buffett (compound returns) than by trying to copy the real Pit Bull day trader, Marty Schwartz. 😉
Ah Marty Swartz, what a cool dude. His book one of the classics. I should write a review about it.
Another thing that most people are unaware of Marty Schwartz is that he is a big-time owner of racehorses. He has won some of the largest stakes races and is a common face at the track.
Yeah, he’s legend of the trading pit and on the track. Which makes it even more egregious that our fake Pitbull stole his nickname … 😉
Hi Charlie, Did you find the course useful and did you practice and use his indicator?
No not really just talk about Super divergence and SHS bar formation(the tick bars he use, try to make a triangle with the black dots/close price, if 1 dot is higher in formation its bearish and vice versa)
How can I contact with you? , thank you!!
How I can contact with you? thank you!!!
I did several posts here defending Doron. Thanks to people like The Pres I finally woke up. Doron is the biggest chill I came across so far in my life. My best advice is run as far as you can, if you are not a client yet. Otherwise ask for a refund first, which I did and then run as far as you can. After some other lies he finally refunded the entire I paid him.
Hey, you got your money back? That is an unexpected surprise. Have to give Doron some credit for that.
Good move Mario. Congrats.
Well done “The Pres” for lifting the veil on Doron’s deceptions. I wonder how many others will get their money back? Perhaps Doron is in damage control and worried about real criminal consequences. I’d love to see Emmett call his bluff over the “extortion” email and threaten litigation. Get in quick if you want a refund.
Today I asked Pitbull the question about why his charts run at twice the market speed in his YouTube videos. I asked it in today’s video comment section.
He came up with some bogus story about video rendering. When I explained to him that his explanation did not make any sense technically, since there are multiple speeds within one video, he just removed the entire thread from the comment section.
This guy is obviously a fraud. Run not walk. If you’re a student, ask for a refund. Below is saved thread.
And when you request your refund…make sure to ask for your 300% refund guarantee!
Yeah, good luck with that. His crazy disclaimer not only says you have to prove his pitbullshit doesn’t work, it says they don’t warranty or guarantee anything anyway.
By the way, he makes all that $$$ and uses his son’s computer to edit his videos??? That’s his excuse? LoL!!!
comon Doron. Your showing profits of 20k plus in a day! is it really that much to ask to see if its real or not? I get it, its private but man your being so unreasonable that you give the na sayers no choice to think its fake.
Be a fucking man and show 1 statement. ashamed you are a canadian.
If you bought his strategy, just ask him. you have the right. At the end of the day if enough people complain he will get what coming just like SOT and the others.
If I were making $20k per day with my trading…I sure as hell wouldnt be running this stupid blog. I would be backpacking across Europe with the Swedish bikini team.
After everything that has been written in this stupid blog about Doron, the Pitbull Trader, any of his students who still believe his BS qualify for the following award.
also just to clarify my previous comment Pitbul posted a video on the 5th April, he startes recording and explains the advanced setup at 1.09 on the video, he then pauses the video at 1.35. in realtime from bar to bar this is 55 seconds.
We all need some explination from Doron, the only thing that gives a little hope for the system is the student charts, my charts have been on this section of his videos also. so i do think the indicator and system does work to a cartain extent but nothing like doron advertises in the videos, it looks like this is just a show to sell more indicators. in reality i do not think you can do anything close to what doron posts on his videos.
i think that possibly the retracement trade and advanced setup are the only ones that are worth trading with this due to the higher R-R
Ok so since seeing the the last message from the press I checked one of doron last videos. On my live data it was just over 50 seconds but his clip was around 25,26 seconds long. I do think doron needs to have some sort of explanation to this. I am a student of doron and since this has all come to light everyone that has purchased the course will doubt if it can be successful especially when the inventor of the strategy does not trade live it would seam.
I am a student of doron and I know people will think I’m lying but hot would I know the setup is called a super divergence if I was not?
Anyway think we need some answers as myself and a lot of others are trying to make this system work
Thank you for checking out one of Doron’s videos using the timing method. As one of his students you have a right to an explanation. Let’s see what he has to say.
A Trader, I hope you get real answers but sadly I doubt that you will. A good outcome would be for Doron’s students to demand greater transparency by producing real live trading videos and not “live” video trades uploaded after the fact. Those verified account statements would be further proof that Doron really trades and that his system is profitable but I doubt you’ll ever see those either. You can raise your concerns with Doron and other members, I’ll be surprised if you don’t get shut down.
Ok, my final video here, I promise 🙂 …..
How to spot a fake trader on YouTube !!
https://youtu.be/kjA74evHZKs
Thanks for the kind comments guys ! However, I did receive some complaints about the color of my DOM, so I had to make a second video today. Not sure why the DOM color is that important, but hey, I’m game :-).
https://youtu.be/E-LY5Sa5-jQ
Another great trade Weiner Dog. If only I’d paid attention at obedience school then I could be making real SIM $s too. Sorry to hear that your local grocery store won’t accept them but you’re in luck because they are happily, readily, enthusiastically, unquestionably and blindly accepted by everyone who is a customer of “The Pitbull Trader.”
I’m not sure why people keep saying this cannot be faked. It’s easy. Record market data and replay with sim. Here I made my own video today. I’m the Wiener Dog trader, aka The Pres. Enjoy.
https://youtu.be/Y4yNcbIfXZg
LOL!!! I love it. You really played it off well. I love the last few seconds…”If it were only real money, then I could buy something with it.”
Brilliant! Great video Weiner Dog / The Pres. What impact will it have on the Kool Aid crew? Logic, reason and common sense hasn’t made a dint. Maybe your demonstration will and hopefully it creates enough doubt that Doron’s clients will begin asking him for some proof to support his claims.
Some bullshit again if it was replay or SIM the DOM must be gray. And you cant use the data from the current day on Ninjatrader. And why the fuck he need to fake that shit. But who cares you always find something to complain about. I’m happy to be a student of Doron. The system is great it is logical and works very well.
Best regards
Trader, it’s tiring replying to the truly stupid but here I go again. As Emmett has stated, if you know what you are doing it is possible to make Ninja sim look like a real account. Other scam vendors have done this and it’s been discussed in other threads.
“And why the fuck he need to fake that shit.” Once again I have to keep in mind that I am corresponding with an intellectually challenged individual so let me explain without using any big words. Doron is a fraud. He is running a scam and he has to “fake that shit” to fool people like you, although, let’s be honest it wouldn’t be too had to fool you would it?
“you always find something to complain about.” Show me where I have complained. I have only asked for Doron, or any of you shills to show proof that Doron’s system works. But none of you will. Why not if it’s so profitable? Intelligent people don’t need me to connect those dots, but for you, allow me to connect them. Doron doesn’t have any verifiable statements that show that he trades his system profitably. No person in possession of a brain that was larger than a Neanderthal’s would think that it was unreasonable to ask for that proof before parting with $2,000 or that it was unreasonable to ask with that proof in order to evaluate a system or that the vendor of that system should not provide it if asked.
I cant believe all of you people put so much wasted energy into this. Its pretty clear Emmett is not going to change his crappy 1 star review of Pit Bull and its also clear Doron is not going to post his statements. I could care less either way as all i know is the pit bull system fits my style of trading perfectly and I’m learning from someone who’s taking the same trades as me every day. I along with many students are skype chatting with Doron during the live market and he is making me a way better trader than i ever was before. The system is unlike anything i have ever learned. I would think its not for everyone as its a fast paced style but for me its awesome and i could care less about any of you people posting trash on here as its clear you give everyone a crappy review. Like many students I am only a few weeks into the system but my results are way better than i ever had before already.
I can’t believe all of you shills put so much wasted energy into trying to convince the non-stupid readers of this blog that Doron is legit. Not a single one of you, nor Doron has produced a shred of proof that the system he’s sold to you mugs for $2000 rather than the few hundred dollars you could have bought for on Ebay works. This is the single thing that anyone of you could do but you won’t. Why not? If it’s so fantastic then show us those trading statements. Now, I understand that Doron’s not the brightest bulb in the pack and he can’t figure out how to create a convincing fake extortion letter from Emmett, nor can he figure out how to remove the demo account from Ninja trader so he’s going to struggle to produce those fake trading statements but you shills must have something more convincing than “believe me because I say it’s true.”
I am following Doron’s videos and found them real and he is expert in trading. I am saving money to take his course. If you have any doubt you can talk to him directly. And If you take his course and don’t like it for any reason, you can get your money back. And if you don’t like him because Emmett Moore said so then stop watching his videos or don’t take his course. If any of you think Emmett Moore is authentic and have good history then follow him.:)
May I ask Waqar Ahmad what it is that you found “real” about Doron’s videos? Reader trader’s post about Doron’s videos, “the time and date thats normally in the bottom right corner of the screen has been removed??” meaning that it’s likely that Doron’s “expert trading” is an illusion created by using replay data, like betting on which horse will win the race when you’ve already seen which horse wins the race. Or you could read Mike’s post where he explains that Doron “perfectly perfectly positions his DOM to not display the Account Name(which more then likely states “SIM101”).” As a final warning to you Waqar Ahmad let me remind you of trader joe’s post and his experience of trying to get his money back from Doron, “after i complained of the over priced useless course he avoided me….3x money back yeah right so i contacted him with my other email and all of a sudden he replies again (what a surprise) then i revealed who i was and gone again.” Hey but if you still decide to save your money and buy Doron’s course you can always take comfort in the words of Mark Hoppus, “Make yourself look really stupid so you don’t feel bad doing something a little stupid.”
We need to send the video to Doron on how to remove the Demo account from Ninja.
Come on Doron, you really need to get up to speed on running a simulator scam on Ninja Trader. This is demo scammer class 101.
Even if Doron would come up with an account statement, you would come up with another excuse why he is a scam.
Mario Jaehn, I promise that I will never piss on another fire hydrant again in my life if Doron produces verified trading statements from a live account that show he trades his system profitably.
However, what bewilders me is that your default position is Doron is legit even though he refuses to produce a shred of verified proof to support his claims. You say that we would come up with another excuse to say that he’s a scam artist. What proof has he provided to prove that he’s not? He could easily shut down any and all criticism or doubt but he doesn’t. Why not? Why doesn’t he lodge a criminal complaint against Emmett for the “extortion email?” Because it’s a fake email that he made up and that has been explained to you Kool Aid kids in posts in this blog. Why does he cover parts of his trading platform during his “live trade videos?” It’s been explained to you why he does that and it’s been demonstrated how easy it is to make a sim Ninja trade platform look like a live trading account. Why doesn’t he just produce verified trading statements? That would be so easy to do. You have been led my the hand and your face shoved into the contradictions that indicate that Doron is a fraud and you still want to drink the Kool Aid rather than ask your guru to produce proof of his claims.
You need to look in the mirror to see who is really making up excuses to avoid acknowledging the truth.
i think doron has a case to answer, i have seen many of the videos and started watching them a little more closely.
He starts with the clock on the screen and then removes the clock and pauses the video. so every trade does not have any time with the trade so it could be replay data. Also the time and date thats normally in the bottom right corner of the screen has been removed?? seems very strange,
trader: Its called trickery!
Yeah, if you’re cropping your recording screen to not display the bottom-right-hand clock/date that’s very fishy and devious & perfectly positions his DOM to not display the Account Name(which more then likely states “SIM101”). Just record straight thru the trade and if it’s going in 15min then pause, when it’s close to profit or stop-loss trigger in-pause. If I was making $250,000 every 3 months, I wouldn’t charge $1600 for the course I would only charge what the trader could afford, what’s $1600 when averaging $83,000 a month?
you can’t use Market replay data from the current day and why should he fake all this stuff and make very detailed and good PDF’s with 450 pages to read and help his students over skype every day that makes no sense …. it could be much easier if you want to scam people maybe trying to blackmail people 🙂
best regards
I was gonna purchase his course without verifiable proof until this blog was created, $1600 I was gonna pay but when this came out and the simple fact that Doron couldn’t provide a Live Brokerage Statement or even create a Youtube video to say whether he is trading Demo/Live. I’m instead gonna go with another course for a fraction of the cost who will also be able to mentor/assist me and he wasn’t offended when I asked for a Brokerage statement which he sent right away. For a Trader/Seller of a course to take offense for being asked to show a trading statement is just ridiculous, don’t sell the course if you can’t provide the statement or platform showing the trading is from live account.
Hi Mike – You said you were gonna go with another course. Can you provide that information and what is your experience with that course.
Sam you are a Shill Busting Sensie but unfortunately nothing will get through to those who want to believe that Doron is the real deal. Not the fact that he won’t produce verified trading statements, nor that he won’t make a criminal complaint against Emmett in relation to that BS extortion letter but thanks for trying.
I don’t believe the students are fictitious, because to create over 20 student charts/accounts would be very time consuming and for a “con-artist” to go to those lengths would be redundant and they would need to hang up the boots. He post his videos fairly quick after trading for the day, so trading on replay? I know on TOS you can’t use Market replay for that day it has to be a few days past, I would think Ninjatrader would be same.
Con Artist will go to extreme lengths. They are groomers. I could create 20 student charts and sim accounts under an hour.
Why post after the event? Why not stream his trading LIVE. Hmmmm wonder why he does not have a LIVE chat room.
His video posted yesterday on YT was 8 hours after he had ‘supposedly’ finished trading. He finished trading yesterday at 10.45 why was the video not uploaded straight away rather than 8 hours later. Ninja allows you to record the session or part of the session even a few hours then replay it back at any time as if its live and take the trades.
Watch and learn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2ymThEVsY0
Let’s say he is trading on a Sim account or it’s Live account but he will never release statements. Does it take away from the fact that whoever purchases his course gets the actual material and Skype calls with him to understand the material? I have been talking to one of his students and they provided me with their brokerage statement to correlate with the Pitbull trader system. If he does provide broker statements, will the nay-sayers purchase his course?
I wanted to try if that “so magical strategy” was true or not, and wanted to prove Pitbull wrong to get $5.4K back and you know what… I couldn’t! Now I’m getting very profitable hahaha. By the way Doron is such an excellent person, and is a shame what you do on this web site. So if I don’t show my statements I don’t trade for real!? Seriously!!?? Or do I need to pay 2k for you to believe me!?
Felipe, buddy, you don’t have to pay 2K for us to believe you. Just send your verified statements to Emmett. We won’t hold our breath OK? Not one of you shills has stepped up to the plate and shown a single shred of evidence that you trade or that Doron’s system is profitable. Come on Doron, where’s your proof?
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.make.money.fast/-Hh_0fy41iI
This seems 2b a Pyramid Scheme, his name appears at numeral X, check the city/state/country with his eBay info they link up. I am feeling Emmett was right
Nice find John.
I can see how some feel this is a scam, he’s at about $250,000 profit on the 1st Quarter of 2018, but sells Course for $1600 which is very overpriced taking into factor that technically you don’t need the course money if making about 6 figures a month. Not to say the system of pivot trading he uses don’t work because student charts shows system works.
And if he is making so much easy money…then why is he selling this on Ebay?
Who in the hell gets financial advice from a ‘magical’ trading indicator sold on Ebay?
Its just crazy.
The successful trader of this system had me curious. (Yeah, yeah, I know…!) I went to the website just to see what the system was about. One thing I clicked on the Pricing (I wanted to see the fine print-was NOT going to buy it) and the link is broken. Doesn’t work. Tried on another browser. Nope. So aparently this site is either shut down from selling at PayPal (the only way to pay) or some other reason it doesn’t work. Could it be from too many refunds or complaints? Let us know when the reason is clear, anyone.
FYI, the charts he has the “pivots” indicator very much looks like a MACD-BB, for what its worth. Because the charts are so old on the site, I couldn’t side-check that, since I happened to have the MACD-BB indicator.
Why are yall still fighting over if his trading is done on Sim or Live? What difference does it really make, the system seems to work both on demo mode and live account. If he was to trade 1 or 2 contracts and make only $500-$2000 would yall still question him? There is other Youtube traders that trade and post large wins but Never any losses, do you go after them. But more importantly he post on a Facebook group called E-mini S&P 500 Futures Day Traders, why haven’t the moderator of group banned him if he wasn’t legit and was a scam/con artist or any of the other members of the group questioned him.
“he post on a Facebook group called E-mini S&P 500 Futures Day Traders, why haven’t the moderator of group banned him if he wasn’t legit and was a scam/con artist” Is this a serious question? First you would have to be lucky enough that the Facebook group was run and moderated by legitimate people who had the time or the interest in digging into the activities of the people who post in that group that are outside of that Facebook community. And that’s assuming that the moderators interests aren’t motivated by separating would be traders from their money in a variety of other methods that are promoted through the group. Trading sim or live is very different. Forget about the price you can get filled at and the price that you can exit at there’s the whole emotional and psychological differences to content with as well.
that argument about sim or live what difference does it make logic …. are you so disconnected to even understand what you are saying? Demo basically no slippage LIVE well a thats a whole other chapter unless you are a robot… are you an Avatar for algo program?
BigLou, so if you’re on demo/sim trading there won’t be any slippage and Live trading there will be slippage is what you’re saying? Because I’ve viewed his videos and seen the extra slippage being tacked on(10contracts/10tick stop-loss thats hit=$1125 extra $125 slippage) So you’re concurring that he trades a Live Account?
And if you are correct Trey then Doron will have no problem producing those verified trading statements but we’re still waiting.
Emmett, I hope you have an answer for this email you sent to him asking for money to remove the bad review. If this is true SHAME on YOU.
Pure nonsense.
In his stupid video, he hovers his mouse over your name in the original email which shows your email address. He didn’t do it for this email. Not too hard to create a contact and label it with your name. But like you said, the kool aid is flowing, so, I wouldn’t expect them to question that.
Exactly, Joe. Anyone can make up a quick email and send it to their main email and call it came from “Emmett Moore”. His stupid video also betrays how much of a newbie vendor fraud he is and his site also has the same cftc hypothetical disclaimer so we already know it’s the usual bullshit sim trading all the way. He must be so desperate not to have to go back to that coffee shop.
Hey if you watch his video “TradingSchools.org vs ThePitbullTrader” at marker 6:21 it clearly shows Emmett Moore email address as emmett@tradingschools.org so please let me know how he can create a email using the @tradingshools.org as the email provider?
Nice try, but as Joe aptly pointed out first, he didn’t do it for the email Saaed posted. What you refer to at 6:21 in the vid shows only the exchange of the prior emails earlier in the day. On the .jpg I posted, it distinctly shows there was an exchange of four emails prior to the single last email which Doron didn’t hover over to show the true email. So why didn’t the exchange include the latest email? Because there was no further exchange, the new email with the id is most likely a new email Doron set up later on the same day to fake an “Emmett Moore” header moniker that anyone can easily do. Back to the coffee shop for the lying scum.
Thank you Joe and Bill for joining the Shill resistance. It’s important to have your voices of experience and reason explaining the scam vendor tricks and lies to the Kool Aid crew.
Joe Bill and Stray Dog, are yall full time profitable traders? Just curious if so what is your trading style and is there a course you have available to purchase. Looking for good trading knowledge.
Aaron, personally, I’m still learning. The one thing I’ve learned from this website is you don’t need to purchase a course. All of this guy’s or any trading “guru’s” secret sauce is just regurgitated info readily available for free on the internet. Just about every one of these con jobs throws around the word “mentor”. If you call yourself a trading mentor, you better be able to back it up with real proof (not sim trades), which, is all Emmett is asking for. BTW, what do you need a mentor for anyway? To stick to your risk/reward ratio and stay in the trade? What exactly does a trading mentor do? Once again, plenty of free trading psychology info out there.
Back on topic of the extortion email. I think it’s bullshit and not only has the guy conned his followers into thinking they are getting the “crystal ball” (as stated by Doron in the email SandDuneTrader posted in his comment down below), he is lying to them again with this extortion email. I’m just an outside observer, but, when you smell bullshit, there’s usually a pile of (pit)bullshit lying around.
I am not a full time trader and I don’t want to be. I’ve never seen the sense in buying myself another job, especially as I am contemplating whether early retirement is feasible or desirable. I am putting retirement funds to work to generate an income and I don’t want to be stuck in front of a computer screen all day to do this. If you go to myfxbook dot com and search for saroq61 you will see my various trial accounts that are testing automated strategies that trade for me. The good ones I put money into, the bad ones I monitor to see if they will come good later and the ugly, well I kick myself for ever putting money into to test them out. To get you started on the learning journey can I suggest all the Ws dot swing-trade-stocks dot com, one that our ol’ mate Pete told us about adamhgrimes dot com click on the Learn to Trade link (I have not used this course) and for a free price action course have a look at forextradingstrategies4u dot com forward slash price-action-trading-course forward slash I have bought a few trading courses which are mostly trading strategies. Have a look on udemy dot com and wait until the course you want is $10. The latest course I bought was $26 because I liked the way he analyzed charts and markets so I thought it was worth $26 to get access to his course and his facebook group. If you think that I can help you with additional information you can write to me at aceisanahole@outlook.com
Actually, I was expecting more than this answer, he is accusing you of asking money and you should defend yourself.
Saaed, Emmett has defended himself, it’s the act of a man desperate to keep his scam going. Ask yourself why Doron hasn’t made a criminal complaint against Emmett for extortion.
If you look on pitbull trader DOM when trading it doesn’t say SIM101 at top left like some of his students who are still demoing and haven’t gone live yet. He isn’t hard selling this course, telling you that you have to purchase my trading course. Other YouTube traders show their trades and have big days but they don’t get questioned if they’re trading a live account or to show trading statements and they Hard Sell their products. Doron, is legit, buy the course test it and prove to him it doesn’t work and he’ll refund you close to $5k triple the money you paid, what other trading courses offers a double/triple money back guarantee or better yet even a refund after you purchased their course. Besides the course you get a mentor/teacher for way less then what other mentors offer($6500-10,000) to assist you to ensure you succeed. That’s personal time away from his family to teach his students. If you don’t like his content, click the triple vertical dots and select Not Interested in you won’t have to watch his “fraudulent trading”
Actually, its really easy to modify the Ninja SIM101 to whatever you want it to say.
Thanks Robin for the opinion. I respect anyone willing to debate.
The Kool-Aid is strong with you Robin H. “Doron, is legit, buy the course test it and prove to him it doesn’t work and he’ll refund you close to $5k triple the money you paid, what other trading courses offers a double/triple money back guarantee or better yet even a refund after you purchased their course.” Perhaps you should have read trader joe’s post, “Doron is a fraud like the rest..his course is garbage. i used 2 different emails to communicate with him and after i complained of the over priced useless course he avoided me….3x money back yeah right so i contacted him with my other email and all of a sudden he replies again (what a surprise) then i revealed who i was and gone again” Seems like his triple your money back guarantee is worthless. What a surprise.
Well tell trader Joe to post the emails in this comment section. The students are taking live trades making money especially David topstep trader and Joe.
robin h can we also please see the full details of the email that Doron claims Emmett sent him asking for $2,000? Can we also see Doron’s verified trading statements the statements from his students who say they are having success with his system. Can the standard be that the statements have to be from their live trading accounts and preferably with more than a 6 day trading history. I’m not trying to bait you. I believe that the minimum standard needs to be complete transparency. If you make a claim you need to back it up with evidence.
I woke up this morning really irritated. I thought to myself–that fucking Doron and his $2000 nonsense. But then I thought to myself…what would be my price? Everyone has a price. What would I theoretically charge to not write a negative review? Or to remove a negative review? So here it goes…
To not write a negative review or remove a negative review, from this day forward, my fee shall be just one more day with my (deceased) Dad. A day at the horse races. With the sun shining on our faces. Our picks running fast and hard. Much screaming and yelling at the finish line. A good laugh. And to see his smiling face just one more time.
Why do you want Doran’s statements so bad? Are you asking trade pro academy for George’s statements or for jason’s statements over at the oil trading group.
Jason from Oil Trading Group does not trade live $$. So has no statements to provide. He has a subscription room where he call out trades during the live market day and trades on a Topstep Trader Combine.
Sean g if you read the comments in this thread you would know the answer to this question. Does Doron trade live? Can he trade the system that he is selling for $2,000 profitably or is he a lying fraud? His verified trading statements would answer those questions. Anyone who buys his product without proof that it is profitable is foolish.
My point has been made. Actually Sam you do get reports and statements through TopStepTrader as I am trading through them. Doron is a stand up individual that takes the time to talk with his students. His system is great and I am beyond happy with it.
What point is it that you’ve made Sean G? A consistent standard of proof that Emmett asked for of all vendors he reviews is their verified statements. Very few can provide this evidence because it would uncover their lies and expose the scam they are running. If Doron refuses to provide proof that he trades the system he sells profitably then the point has been made that he is very likely just another scam artist. If he was a stand up individual then he would have no problem proving the profitability of his system. How about in lieu of Doron’s statements you provide yours?
Hello Emmet,
I appreciate what Doran offers us. He is always available and takes the time for one. It is very sad and irreverent to tell bullshit about a working system
You demand $ 2000 to change the negative rating you are aware that this is a kind of blackmail. If you want to see a performance click on the youtube channel and count all days together then you have the perfomance from 29 November. That’s clear enough.
Best regards
Hello Emmet,
I appreciate what Doran offers us. He is always available and takes the time for one. It is very sad and disrespectful to tell bullshit about a working system
You demand $ 2000 to change the negative rating, you are aware that this is a kind of blackmail. If you want to see a performance click on the youtube channel and count all days together then you have the perfomance from 29 November. That’s clear enough.
Best regards
Holy Déjà Vu Batman! Anoa, is channeling Trader. You’re getting desperate Doron.
I’ve had great luck with Pitbull. He used to sell on eBay for cheaper but raised the prices of his item.
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SandDuneTrader, I am officially in the Twilight Zone. This is evidence that Doron is legit and that his system works!!!
All you clowns who don’t believe Doron is “legit,” his ratings on Ebay have ALL been 5 Star from buyers. How do you explain that?.
Yeah! Nothing more legit than a 5-star rating on Ebay!
Matt, thank you for providing a perfect example of the total lack of critical thought Doron’s shills are displaying in their posts. Now it’s time for you to put on your makeup, over sized shoes and frizzy multi colored hair.
Doron’s system is legit. I am a student of his. According to you all these systems are scams.
Doron’s system is legit is it David S? You know the obvious way for Doron, or you for that matter, to prove that it’s legit is to provide verified trading statements that are the result of trading only Doron’s system. It’s a simple thing to do David S, but for some reason Doron refuses to. That can only mean that he can’t produce those verified stats and that can only mean that his system sucks. I am very happy to be proven wrong. I’ll shown you mine (myfxbook dot com search for saroq61) now show me yours.
And Emmet, maybe one more thing and I really say that from a neutral perspective. Before you accuse someone being a fraud, you really should put some hard facts on in order to prove your statements. Like when writing Doron uses replay data and fakes his trades, please prove it first.
And Mario Jaehn, maybe you could also say that Doron could simply provide verified trading statements and those would be hard facts to prove his claims. Doron, you’ve got to get better shills.
I can not understand how the author came up with a review like that. I bought the course couple weeks ago and I only can say good things about Doron and it’s method. He is a truly genuine guy, who is willing to help where ever he can. I never saw him bothered when I looked for advice. He usually answers within minutes either via email, or even via skype call. The method is NOT the holy grail, nor a green light / red light trading system that makes you money by pushing buttons. Everyone has to put in a huge amount of personal effort each and every day after learning the method. It is not hard to learn and its easy to understand. Nevertheless as just said it takes time and developed skills. Can you be successful in the end? I truly believe so.
Like most of the reviewers here I am also a student of Pitbull Trading. The system Doron teaches you is totally unique to any of the other trading systems out there and believe me I have purchased a few of them over the years that promise everything and deliver nothing. Then I came across Pitbull Trading on You tube. Watched all the videos and was impressed to see losing days along with the winning days. I then emailed Doron with questions regarding this methodology and he replied promptly answering all my questions. We also had a few Skype chats and at no time was there any selling pressure to purchase the system. The course is set out in two section that are easy to understand and implement. It is not a set and forget or a pretty all lights flashing system. What you see on your charts is exactly the same as on the You Tube videos. The system does require some input from your brain to identify the trading set ups but its not rocket science. The money management of the system is what eventually made me purchase it and it’s the best investment I have every made in my trading career. Once you have the system you will know that there is no manipulation on the You Tube videos, I you through them checking my trades against Doron’s every evening. Doron is the must genuine, honest and helpful trader I have had the pleasure to know. He really does want all his traders to do well.
Tony Are you still trading with Doran?
Emmet,
I understand that it is your business to look for ways to extort money out of people involved in the markets! But really you have stooped to new lows this time! As always you look to profit from tarnishing and publishing lies about individuals.
I read your review and wander if you are even talking about the same person that we know? I am a student and a user of Doron’s system. There was never any sales pitch or telling me how much money can be made. The system is not a black box system and its not going to automatically make you money whilst sitting at home doing nothing. The system is easy to learn. The system gives you multiple high probability setups with a positive risk to reward. Am not sure what else it is supposed to be or what you want from it? Or what are the lies that he is telling. He is using a live account and we end up taking the same trades as him using the same system almost with the exact same entries. Have you not watched the videos and seen how many of his students trading the system and profitable day in and day out? Are you also saying that all of his students are frauds?
You have been offered to use the system for free so that you can make an honest review of the software, but you declined because a honest review was never your intention.
All that i can say to anyone reading this post and they are interesting in trying it they should go ahead and contact Doron or any of his students about the software. You have nothing to lose.
Chris
Nice try Doron umm I mean Chris R. Send your trading statements in to Emmett buddy.
Nobody owes anyone an account statement. The fact that Doron is being asked to send in his account statements as the only way to revoke a negative review is just proving that the review itself is a fraud. It was given only one star in all six categories, yet an account statement would suddenly give him a great score? If you think he is a fraud then wouldn’t you suspect he would just create a fake statement anyway? The best way to review this trading method (and any other product) is to use it for yourself. Personally I would not respect any review of a product unless I knew that the person(s) giving the review had actually tried it for themselves. Having a website like this and reviewing trading courses is actually a great idea, but not if there is not a “hands on” approach. Try it out and then give an honest review. You would have much more respect from the trading community.
Stray Dog are you a successful trader? I’m guessing not, but “i” will definitely change my opinion if you send me your account statements for proof…lol
I miss Bob B, Cyn, dtchurn and the other shill busters. Dave, I mean Doron. “Nobody owes anyone an account statement.” Are you really so stupid that you think someone sell a trading system shouldn’t be required to provide proof that it works? God, I want to live in your world. I’ll go to work and sit on my ass watching cat videos and when the boss wants to see evidence that the money he’s paying me is getting what he’s paying for I’ll just tell him he’s not entitled to any proof.
“Stray Dog are you a successful trader? I’m guessing not, but “i” will definitely change my opinion if you send me your account statements for proof…lol” Gib LOL back Dave um Doron. Please go to myfxbook dot com and search for saroq61 at the bottom of my profile you’ll see links to my trial account with everything verified. Oh and I let a little message for you on my profile Doron.
Awww, Dave/Doron, were you offended by my logic or is it the sight of verified record of trading that’s got you so angry you down vote my comment?
didnt vote own ur comment, someone else must have and I am not Doron for crying at loud! I laid out my challenge to Emmitt, HE can settle this if he wants. My challenge is: I switched to my personal account today, made 58 NQ ticks, he is welcome to see my brokerage statement, provided, if what i claim is true, he take back his negative review and correctly write a positive one. Until then i am done commenting, I do have a life, David
Actually, student results are really important. So thanks for the offer. And I will certainly take you up on that! However, the review is about Doron and his verifiable results.
In my opinion, it really is not asking for much to see these from Doron. You are willing. But Doron refuses. Why?
Suppose that you visit a website and someone claims to offer a device that claims to be able to predict the lottery numbers. And since you really want to win the lotto, you purchase the software. A week later, you win the lotto! Amazing! The lotto software worked just as advertised!
You tell your mother the great news. And she say’s “Oh David, when will you ever learn? You were just lucky and the result was nothing more than a spurious correlation.” You tell your mother, “But mom, I don’t understand spurious correlation. This fancy words confuse me and it sounds like black magic or the work of a dirty wizard.”
Your mother laughs and say’s “Oh David, you were not the smartest of my children, so let me dumb this down for you, my special child. If the software could actually predict the lottery, then why would the software developer sell it?”
After thinking about it for awhile. The dimwitted dullard begins to ponder his mothers’ gentle scolding. He begins to research and discovers that financial markets are ripe soil in which hucksters and snake oil salesman have run amok. They are selling all manner of financial theory, like this or this.
i have been trading for 10 years the last 4 consistently profitable, i am not a neophyte. i can usually tell when i am being bullshitted. i dont claim to know whether Doron trades real money or not, but what he is selling works as a stand alone method or can be added to ones existing trading strategy. i have commented as much as i have b/c i believe the review is inaccurate. Emmitt, if you are a real trader yourself you know there is a huge difference between a successful method and a successful trader. Doron has a successful method, beyond that we dont know. However, if someone is looking for a successful trading method, why does it matter if the one selling it is a successful “REAL MONEY trader? the only thing that matters is whether the one buying it has bought something that can be a legitimate aid in becoming a successful trader. alright, i have said enough, and i wont respond to anymore more comments. Emmitt, you know how to reach me.
” but what he is selling works as a stand alone method or can be added to ones existing trading strategy. i have commented as much as i have b/c i believe the review is inaccurate.” OK but what you believe and what can be proven are different things. Doron could prove his claims but he refuses to – why?
“Doron has a successful method, beyond that we dont know. ” Well we don’t even know that. Neither Doron nor anyone else has provided any proof of their claims.
“why does it matter if the one selling it is a successful “REAL MONEY trader? the only thing that matters is whether the one buying it has bought something that can be a legitimate aid in becoming a successful trader.” Anyone who has been around here for a while will have heard this argument. It actually matters a lot that someone selling a product can demonstrate that it works. Many customers will not have your level of experience and they need to know that the system will work for them. If the guy who is selling the system can’t make it turn a profit then it should be self evident why you shouldn’t buy it.
OK David, apart from the fact that Emmett’s review was negative, what is it exactly that you are objecting to about it? What was factually incorrect and where is the evidence to show that it was incorrect.
Rather than getting angry with the guy who told you Santa isn’t real you should go back to Santa and demand to see the elves and those flaming lying reindeer you’ve been giving him money to buy their feed with.
Stray Dog, my name is Dave and not Doron, but you are obviously the type of person that will only believe what you want so that’s fine. I wouldn’t waste my time looking at whatever stats “saroq61” has because I could care less. I’m not here to look for a better trading method, just defending what I believe to be a false review. Before this I have never been on this website. Since you are probably here looking for something better then why not give this method a try? I honestly believe that you would realize that it really does work. You could then just look at your own account statements to verify. Anyway I’m not going to post anything after this as this whole thing feels a bit immature. Please feel free to call me some names or make fun of me or others, whatever makes you feel better. I will just go on with my “stupid” self and use this method to make some money. Best of luck to you Stray Dog, hope you find a home.
Actually Dave/Doron, I’m the type of person who believes evidence that is verified. It’s an interesting logic that you’ve used to defend Doron’s system. ” Since you are probably here looking for something better then why not give this method a try?” Ah, because there’s no verified proof that it does work and the vendor, Doron, refuses to produce any such proof even though it would be incredibly easy for him to do so. ” I honestly believe that you would realize that it really does work. You could then just look at your own account statements to verify.” I could Dave, I could do that, just one problem, I’d have to give Doron, who refuses to provide proof that his system works, 2K to test his system, and we know from another post that he doesn’t honor his money back guarantee. I know what to do Dave, you give me two grand and I’ll pay you back from the profits I make using Doron’s system. Check out my stats Dave, myfxbook dot com, search for saroq61 you’ll find information on a variety of systems, some that are spectacular and others that are miserable. All verified and above board and it won’t cost you a cent to find out if they are profitable.
everyday you call Doron a fraud I continue to make money, and Doron probably is as well. I have traded his method for 6 days now and 6 winning days, dont you have something better to do then try to bait me? Like i said, Emmitt need only contact me.
Wow, 6 whole days of trading – that’s some kind of record isn’t it?
of course 6 days is not some kind of record, dont be a jerk. my point is, Doron shows all these videos with terrific results and i buy the program and for the 6 days i have produce similar results, to me that would indicate that the results Doron is showing MIGHT not be some kind of BS.
And his verified trading statements would be confirmation of that. What is difficult to understand about that? What is unreasonable about asking for them before making a decision to part with $99/month or $1,995 one time payment?
Stray Dog why you entertain the mindless shills? If they cannot grasp the simple notion of having reliable proof what the Guru is teaching/selling me can be sustainable achieved its a wasted exercise. Its like The said GURU in caps screams buy my system guarantee to work or triple your money back ect ect then comes along smart/wised trader and says Hey can you show me proof that your system works via redacted 3rd party independent audited broker statement..Guru floods you with so called successful students defending said guru… then we ask the students/shills but the response is” He does not need to show it ” all the same narratives that we have come to love to hear anything but the actual truth and in demonstrating this ruse we cannot appeal to them in any way since they choose to view it without values that WE share. The conversation is Over so IF someone does not value logic or reason what logical argument can You provide to show the importance of Logic? and we see this over and over and over ad nausea
Part of the reason is for the fun of it BigLou but the larger reason is because we can’t let the shills take control of the comments or the message. If the guru refuses to produce verified trading statements he or she is a fraud. That message has to be hammered home. Of course, it was more fun when others joined in and gave the shills a serving of cold hard reality.
Chris Do you still trade with Doran?
I’ve been watching Doron’s videos daily for the past 3 months before decided to hired him as my trading mentor 3 weeks ago. I was very skeptical as I’ve been scammed many times in the last 20 years trying to become a profitable traders.
The reasons I hired him is because he posted his trading videos daily whether it is a losing or winning days and so don’t see any trading gurus on the internet doing that. He shows you every trades on his live account and no he does not show his brokerage statements and does not needs to.
Doron’s methods win rate is > 60% and along with the money management of risk 1 to reward 3 are the combination of successful. He is always there to help his students if they have any questions.
“He shows you every trades on his live account and no he does not show his brokerage statements and does not needs to.” Of course if he did produce those trading statements then he’s end a lot of the doubts about his over priced education but he doesn’t. Hmmm, now I wonder why that is? Hmmm?
Doron.
He is a great person. At first I was worried that I don’t turn out a fool in this trading world . I started watching his videos in nov and I would call him ask questions on Skype. He would post his videos everyday no one does. I was wondering how can he do this type of trades and I would compare on ninja .his entry and exist was exactly great .finally in Feb I try I took his method setup my chart exactly like his .I took a class and started to sim trade great result amazed .I had some losers but his method of 3.1 its cool it just covers up the loss . Anyone can do it put your mind and eyes on it and you are all set .the gun is in your hand you got to just pull the trigger . so I used to send him my charts and he review it .You know lot of people don’t like the good you give to others so they feel jealous I guess .the trading masters I guess. A GREAT TREASURE BY DORON.
THANKS
“At first I was worried that I don’t turn out a fool in this trading world .” Your worries were justified, and self fulfilling. Send in those trading statements Lincoln/Doron.
You know what you are a sick person just trying to get in his personal life .Why should Doran show his statements or his personal stuff to a side walk idiot. he doesn’t have to prove to you.
I feel like I am stuck in Jonestown. I would like my kool-aide with ice, please.
lin, Doran, Doron, looks like I’ve struck a nerve. “Why should Doran show his statements or his personal stuff to a side walk idiot. he doesn’t have to prove to you.” Well, he should show his verified trading statements because he’s selling a system that he claims is profitable and if he, I mean you Doron, make claims then you need to be able to back them up. If you won’t because you lied, then you can’t complain when some “side walk idiot” calls you out and says that you’re a lying fraud.
This review is obviously from someone that has not used the system or even attempted to try the technique. Im unsure how someone can leave a review like this without even trying the system??? I have just started trading & backtesting (on demo) with this indicator and Pitbulls technigue and it does work, the system does not the give perfect signals 100% of the time, and you do have to use your brain when using the indicator but this is why still in demo while i get enough experience with the system.
If anyone is considering Pitbull trading i would urge you to completely disregard this review as its nonsence and based on reading a website and not even testing the product.
If you really want to see what the system is like watch the putbull youtube videos, he often posts students charts at the end, mine being one of these charts, the videos and pitbul students do not lie
Doron is more than welcome to post a rebuttal blog post. I will publish as-is. He should have the full opportunity to express himself in an open forum.
I think that is fair. Ok with you? Doron?
I have to admit i am not in the business of defending any mentor or system as most of the ones i have used over the years were crap or the usual recycled garbage etc. I have been a member of several trade groups from futures to forex and even Nadex. I also admit to being a roller coaster trader up one day down the next etc until eventually dwindling my account down to nothing. I stumbled across the pit bull trading system a few months ago and right away said yea right! I kept an eye every few days on Dorons vids and have to admit i was starting to believe. Heres a guy that posts his recorded trades all day win or lose and what intrigued me is he gets really pissed when he loses and has had some losing days yet he still posted his daily trades. I know i was the guy in the trade group only posting winners and not showing losers back in the day so that was impressive for me. I still was not convinced so i started pausing his vids and manually calculating each trade to see if i could crack the code of what the catch was but it all added up correctly. I decided finally to join a few weeks ago about 3 weeks or so and since that time i can say Doron has spent countless times with me on skype calls and screen share. He had me showing him where the correct entries were as i scrolled the charts until he felt i got it down. He also several times helped me with chart settings with screen share. I have only known Doron less than a month and he is a genuine mentor that really cares that his students get it and he actually will not give his blessing to go live until we as students can prove we do get it. For me i have used ninja trader most of my career trading so i was able to pick things up relatively quick yet i am still not quite ready for live trading even though i have been doing pretty good in between my clients during the day. I have never seen Dorons real account performance but for me i bought into his system seeing him trade a live account each day and with his success that cant be disputed as far as i can tell. And one main thing to know is when Doron posts his students charts we are all taking almost the exact same entries over and over so the method does work and we are all looking for exact same things. To be honest i wish Doron would stop promoting his method so i can be one of the few students to have the knowledge. Reading your review on Doron is really not cool at all since your probably not even a trader just someone that bashes others and holds them hostage for a fee of $2000 like Doron posted. Thats really disgusting and pathetic to be honest.
Wow, a lot of kool-aid drinkers on this thread.
Wow Doron, ” just someone that bashes others and holds them hostage for a fee of $2000 like Doron posted. Thats really disgusting and pathetic to be honest.” Maybe you’d like to produce the evidence of this but since we know how difficult it is for you to produce evidence of your trading I predict that it won’t be forthcoming either.
You’ve been a busy boy Doron. “If anyone is considering Pitbull trading i would urge you to” insist on getting proof that Doron trades and that his system is profitable. This proof needs to be in the form of verified account statements that are authenticated by a reputable accounting firm.
Doron is a fraud like the rest..his course is garbage. i used 2 different emails to communicate with him and after i complained of the over priced useless course he avoided me….3x money back yeah right so i contacted him with my other email and all of a sudden he replies again (what a surprise) then i revealed who i was and gone again
hey trader joe i would avoid you to if i was Doron. Who would complain about the price? if you dont like it or beleive in it just dont buy it right? why try to complain to the guy lol thats insane.
Hey ZenTrader, I mean Doron. Remember to capitalize the letter i when you are using it as a pronoun. It’s a repeated mistake that you are making in all of these posts that you are trying to pass off as students of yours.
Joe, think you gave up too soon after having wrong expectation.
Emmett i am one of Doron’s members and i can honestly say the trading method he provides is genuine. I am not saying it’s the Holy Grail by any means but underlying trading setups do work and when combined with a 3-1 Risk Reward you can have a large number of losses and then a few winners and you are greatly in profit. I understand the issue you seem to have is with his live account statements but that is his personal right not to show to the public. He has offered you the trading system for free to try out and see for yourself that it works. Don’t get me wrong you do have to actually use your own brain to trade this method, its not an arrow entry based system which we have all tried and tested before and i Am sure 99% have not become profitable in the long run. All i can suggest is give the system a try and then do a follow up review before judging someone who actually wants to help us members and will be there on the end of a call anytime we need his help, not many so called Guru’s would do that.
what about his video regarding the 2k shake down? Did you actually send that? or did he fake that to? lets get answers.
That would be extortion. I highly recommend that Doron contact the FBI. It’s just laughable. Vendors that get bad reviews all try this tactic. Its a ‘red herring’ argument. Meant to distract away from the obvious…Doron has no proof.
Where are Doron’s account statements? (crickets)
Not providing account statements is a legitimate criticism. What’s not legitimate is a supposed review of his course without actually seeing it. He offered to actually GIVE it to you for free so that you could do an actual review instead of this bogus one, yet you keep harping about the account statements. In the interest of honesty, truth and completeness, I expect you to take him up on it, even without the statements. Yet you haven’t. That speaks volumes.
Martin makes a lot of sense here. Yes I have purchased this course, and if there is to be a valid review, at least try it out. The man offered it to you to try for FREE! Try it first, and in any review after that you can certainly include a disclaimer about the lack of statements.
I am actually from the same city as Doron and the man even offered to meet me in person, which I intend to take him up on. It takes a special kind of person to offer that and try and deceive them at the same time. I truly do not understand the hesitation to try it out when all it costs is time.
Jamie, do you understand Doron’s refusal to produce trading statements that prove that his system is profitable? I don’t. Do you know that his money back guarantee is worthless and that one person has already posted here that Doron refused to communicate with him when he asked for his money back? I sure Bernie Madoff met with his “investors” too. You can apply the same standards that you and I have to people who have no conscience.
I don’t get it. A review of something that the reviewer hasn’t actually used? It’s about as silly as a restaurant review by someone that hasn’t eaten there: “The quality of the food is bad and the cost is too high. I haven’t actually eaten there, but based on their ads, that is my review.”
Yeah, I don’t get it either Doron. You could easily produce verified trading statements but you won’t. Why not? Oh, that’s right because you’re a con artist. Got it.
And you Emmett could have taken him up on taking the course for FREE, and give us a complete and honest review instead of a meaningless review just based on his ad.
Don’t forget the Doron could shut all of this down by providing verified trading statements. Come on Doron, I’m waiting for the next excuse why a hot shot trader with a killer system won’t provide those trading statements.
Wow, I honestly can’t believe what I just read. The only scam I see here is your review of an honest person selling an honest product. I had never heard of your website before I read this review so this is what you gave me for a first impression…total crap!!
I purchased Doron’s trading manuals from him a few months ago and I am so happy that I did. I have never witnessed someone that devoted so much of his time in order to help others succeed. A real con artist would just be interested in the sale of their product and then never want to hear from you again. Doron is exactly the opposite. Doron is always asking his students to send him their trades so he can review them. He will always let you know what you are doing right and/or wrong. I know that he has helped many students late into the evening and even on the weekends before. I have purchased other methods and tried a trading room before I found Pitbull and I have never received that kind of service before.
As far as the method itself, I will just say that this is the last one that I intend to purchase. There is no reason to look any further in my opinion. The method is straightforward and we all see the same thing on our charts everyday. It is then up to the individual whether or not they want to place the trade. Some setups are near perfect while others may be a little more risky. You will not win all of your trades, nobody does. It is Doron’s method along with his risk management that you allow you to be successful trader. He emphasizes this all the time.
Bottom line is that this review of The Pitbull Trader is false. I can’t imagine anyone who has actually used this method and worked with Doron would ever disagree. Please do a more thorough job of researching a product or service before posting something so negative.
I never said that Doron isn’t a ‘nice guy.’ In fact, he is very pleasant and charming. Just like every good con artist–they are all pleasant and charming.
Doron can easily rebuke the negative review by posting verifiable account statements on his website. But he won’t. Why is that? Think about it.
Your opinion is respected.
Doron, Dave send in the evidence. The evidence of Emmett trying to extort $2,000 from you and your verified trading statements. Come on buddy it’ll be so easy for you to make Emmett eat his words and write a retraction once you’ve done those two things. Holding my breath until you do. Don’t let me down.
Doron has posted a video regarding your review…you ought to look at it. What’s with the alleged e-mail from you offering a resolution for $2,000.00? Understand, I like and use your site often but I am curious.
Oh wow. This is the well-beaten path of the con artist–that I am attempting a ‘shakedown’. A red herring argument.
Doron can easily rebuke the negative review by simply posting account statement. But he won’t. Why?
I actually own Pitbull’s course and indicators and for one thing the system does work if you understand then dynamics of the indicator. Naturally losses occur as with any system but with the 3:1 risk to reward one can still come out ahead. Like everyone I had purchased numerous indicators, joined various chat rooms and bought into educational junk. I blew thousands of dollars on live accounts and all useless crap. What caught my eye with Pitbull’s system was his money back guarantee and I said I have nothing to lose so I tried it. I was emailed a decent sized manual along with the indicators that plug right into ninja. After studying the method over a few days and seeing first hand what the indicator was telling you to do I was amazed how many entries were profitable. As I had my doubts I studied specific charts like the NQ and YM even in replay mode as it was hard to believe the signals were that good based on what I was sold in the past. Anyway fast forward months later I am using this method to trade my live account and showing substantial profits while many of my trades daily are showcased on Pitbull’s YouTube channel. All I am saying is don’t judge a book by its cover rather try the system out for yourself and you will soon see how well it works. Pitbull even trains his traders and is always available via skype or email with any questions or concerns you have. In the beginning while learning he took an interest in me and asked me to send my charts daily with my entries he would critique my entries and give construct feedback and what I needed to improve. This helped me out as I understood his thought process and this is what separates the so-called gurus from the real teacher who has an interest in his students success. Again there are loses like any other system out there but the gains far exceed the losers. I do have losing days just like everyone does but my winning days far exceed my losers. What counts is what you bring home on the month not the day or the week! There are specific areas where trades should be taken so sometimes it can take an entry or two for the trade to work. I am more of an aggressive trader and will take more entries than normal even trading the system all day at times. I am finally content with a system that is worth its weight in gold.
I suggest contacting Pitbull again and give him a chance to prove to you this system works and works extremely well. Naturally anyone who trades 20 lots and knows what they are doing can easily attain the same results Pitbull makes if not even better once you trade on multiple instruments and can stomach some losses as well.
I sent the following message to Doron (different thread)…
Hi Doron,
Sorry to read that you didn’t like the review. Its nothing personal, I have only written what was corroborated and what I personally witnessed. Our Skype conversation was great. Many laughs. You have a funny personality.
But here is the problem…people are looking for honest solutions and they expect that I write the most brutally honest review as possible. It fucking hurts when people write nasty things. It happens to me all the time.
Did I get this review wrong? I sure hope so. Truly. You will find that I am just as tough on myself–when I get it wrong. And I do get it wrong.
So let’s start fresh. Do you have account statements that verify the performance figures?
Thank you for helping me draft the most honest and truthful review as possible.
FYI, most ‘trading educators’ don’t even have trading accounts. They only trade on simulators. If this is your current situation, then I would be more than happy to track your simulated performance and report these numbers. I have a mechanism that works perfectly with NinjaTrader. We can set up a drop point that collects all of your trading data and it cannot be modified or manipulated.
I wish you the best. And I sincerely hope that your trading educational business succeeds. But the missing piece is verifiable performance. Without that, then you are going to have a tough road ahead.
-Emmett
I hate getting involved in these type of discussions, but here goes.
I am a client of Doron. I have been trading for a number of years and have been consistent since 2014. Like everyone else here I watched his videos and couldnt/didnt believe he or the results were real. After a few months I caved and said I need to see what his program is and maybe there will be something I can add to my existing strategy. When i first received the program my reaction was “this is it?” I never believed trading needed to be complicated but this seemed too simple. But, since I made the investment I decided to go all in and spend the time reading the manual and take Doron up on a skype call to answer my questions. The more I looked at the program the more I liked it and decided to try it with real money with a daily goal of $200 – $300 per contract and once that was hit switch to sim. I traded the method for 5 days. Each day I hit my target goal AFTER commissions and added several hundred dollars more per contract on SIM. Was this week a fluke? Maybe, but I dont believe it was. Does Doron trade real money? i dont know I am not his broker, but after trading this myself for a week I cannot imagine why he would not. More importantly, I don’t give a crap at this point b/c I know the results are real and not because he says so but b/c I am doing it. Is his marketing over the top? I did not think so, but that’s my opinion. Now, and let me be clear TRADING IS DAMN HARD, but that does not mean the method is hard to learn and put into practice. Like any system, if u don’t trade it correctly, with patience and discipline you can blow up ur account. although, I must add his R:R is very forgiving. One lat thing, regarding his past, I have know idea what is true and what is not true but after buying and trading his program I have to ask myself “who cares” David
Ps. here is a picture of my results today with 10 contracts, half real half SIM https://gyazo.com/3b0ba30a1f53a7fa4d7f948f4388aefd
“i dont know I am not his broker, but after trading this myself for a week I cannot imagine why he would not.” Doron, there’s that pesky lower case i mistake that you make in all of these post where you pretend to be a satisfied customer. But I agree with you, I can’t imagine why you wouldn’t just trade your system and forget about the whole selling expensive education products business. I can’t imagine why you don’t, won’t or can’t provide verified proof of your trading success using this system of yours.
Hey! I am not Doron, I live in New York. I was trading Topstep and switched to my personal account today. Emmitt is more then welcome to contact me tomorrow and I will show him my brokerage account. I will do this provided that when he sees i made 58 ticks on the NQ today, he will not only retract everything he said about Doron but put a give a new and positive review. Why am I doing this? Because you pissed me off thinking I am Doron or a shill! David
You have my email account
Wow David/Doron all I had to do was piss you off to get you to show some trading statements. I’m grateful and everything but it’s really Doron’s claims that I want proof of. I mean, come on Dave, did you get your Mom to do your fighting for you? I don’t think so. So, Doron, be a man and produce your trading statements and while you’re at it lodge a criminal complaint against Emmett for the supposed email he sent you. But David/Doron how about you show those 6 days of trading success (whohoo) without the silly conditions attached. I’ve shown you mine (myfxbook.com search for saroq61) now show me yours.
Well, luckily for Pitbull, Emmett mentioned his Jason Bond rewrite and that what people are talking about. However, it is strange that a successful trader like Pitbul wouldn’t just just trade his system rather than bother with the educational side of things and why he wouldn’t display or make available his verified trades.
Emmett, the Jason Bond rewrite will be most interesting; you must have come up with some thoroughly revelatory information if you’re about to attempt to convince people on here that he’s not the all marketing front running pump and dump con artist that you concluded he was barely 6 months ago. His website still has no track record and is full of all that ‘dream BS’ that you have long hated. I can’t wait to read it!….
What about fake Harward shows?
I’d almost forgotten about Jason Bond’s “Harvard guest speaker” BS. That along is enough evidence to conclude that he’s a lying, unprincipled piece of s#!t.
Ok, so here is what I am going to do…
1) Separate ALL of the marketing nonsense from the trading performance. This has to be addressed. The marketing screams SCAM. I told Jason that his marketing is pure douchebag and it represents everything wrong with this industry. So we are going to cover that aspect of the business. Going to talk about the “Why” of the marketing.
2) Next, we are going to dive into the verifiable performance. In particular, put the theory that he is front-running subs under the microscope. The key to this argument will be the average hold times per trade. I will present the evidence, the readers will have to draw their own conclusions.
What is most important is not our biases, opinions, pride, and preconceived notions. All that matters is the truth. Hey, if I look like a fool, then so be it.
“2) Next, we are going to dive into the verifiable performance. In particular, put the theory that he is front-running subs under the microscope. The key to this argument will be the average hold times per trade.” This isn’t the whole story. The trading volume of the stocks he recommends also needs to be examined. They are very easy to manipulate and push higher. So Jason holds the stock for a few days, so do his inexperienced subs and then some days later he sells, takes his profit and his subs are left scrambling for the door. It’s still a con even if he’s too stupid to know that’s what he’s doing.
what average Joe doesn’t trade 20 lots….
“is the most profitable trading method ever developed in human history!” Yes, he actually uses an apostrophe (“exclamation point” or “exclamation mark) to drive home the point…” Obviously, I have nothing useful to contribute to the discussion. Except that, having reviewed the low volume stocks that Jason Bond trades, it will be difficult to convince me that he is not profiting from his subscribers.
I am very worried about this Jason Bond re write. He is at his very core his very essence a freaking Con Artist snake oil salesman I cannot imagine a scenario where this ends up well. Unless you are redefining what Front Running means I share Stray Dog’s concerns. What is next Ross Cameron and Nathan Michaud are example traders and totally legit??
Nobody hates the nonsense, chicanery, sleight of hand, and shady marketing more than me. However, if a vendor is willing to change…then how can I maintain a cemented position?
The truth is more important.
Heck, I would even gladly write a positive review of Ross Cameron. Which just seems nutty as hell. But what if he has a student that breaks away and becomes successful? And that student credits all of his success to Ross Cameron? How could anyone responsibly not give credit to Ross?
In order for me to remain credible. I have to write the truth.
I just hope you’ll are not getting commissions form Jason Bond…
What about the front running and the stuffed accounts?
What about the fake Harvard and fake cars?
What about his mentor and the whole promo network?
I just don’t see how you can get around all that…
I bet Jason is conning you, which looks like a desperate move from a failing vendor…
the VIG is th VIG but man one cannot block the sun with your index finger, I guess Since Jason getting paid on RagingBull somehow trying to show some kind of legitimacy however unlikely. too many astute fellas here in this community to spot it a mile away thus all the doubts even IF Emmet going to show us that failed high school gym teacher is “banking” millions from stock trading my gut tells me not too far from manipulation and cheating his own subs. I do not see any kind of vindication no matter the results.
I am curios on how did you get the “holding periods”?
did you look at all trades or did you look separately, all winners, losers and the percentage of?
What about the volume, are those only low volume stocks?
What about the correlations between Jason buying the stock, advising his “millionaire inner circle” to buy the stock and then the advising regular flock?
Also even if he is all legit now, what about the 10 years of scamming and front running?
Shouldn’t you wait the same time to before endorsing him/taking his commissions?