Futures Trading Coach

Futures Trading Coach
  • Honesty
  • Quality
  • Cost
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  • Verified Trades
  • User Experience

Summary

If you like zero transparency, then the Futures Trading Coach is the live day trading room for you. For only $6,997 and $347 each month, you can watch a person trade that has no verifiable track record. The trading room has no transparency, no trading from the DOM, no trading from the charts, no account statements to verify trading. In addition to zero transparency, we caught them consistently publishing fake trading records on YouTube videos. Avoid.

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Pros: None
Cons: Zero transparency. Faked and fraudulent track record. No live trading, No DOM, no way to verify any claims of success. Promoters refuse to verify personal trading results.

Thanks for reading today’s review of Futures Trading Coach.com

What is Futures Trading Coach? Futures Trading Coach is a live day trading room that is moderated by Rick Mazur, the cost of the live day trading room is $247 for the first month, and $347 for each month thereafter. In addition to the live day trading room, there is a full mentoring program with a start up fee of $6,997 with an additional monthly fee of $347 per month. The mentoring program is taught by Sam Goldberg.

A quick review of the website reveals the following statements from the owner, Mr Sam Goldberg. “We win on 8/10 trades, and the reason we win is because we do the opposite of 95% of all traders”. On first blush, this sure sounds exciting. Who doesn’t want to win on 80% of all trades, and do the opposite of 95% of all traders? Some of you might not believe that the owner of Futures Trading Coach would come right out and make such a bold statement. So I recorded him saying it…

 

Ok, so if you watched this short little video, the owner of the company Mr. Sam Goldberg clearly states that he wins on 80% of his trades. This sounds great, and it should be easy to verify, right? Next, Mr. Goldberg states that the reason why his methodology is so successful is because he does the opposite of 95% of traders. Ok, wonderful. But how do you measure this Mr. Goldberg? Do you have a special program that performs some calculation or function that gives you this information? If so, then sign me up! I am ready to send over my payment for the full mentorship program fee of $6,997. OK, so now that we established a baseline for how this review is going to go, lets move forward.

Who is Rick Mazur and Sam Goldberg? I have no clue. After reading each and every page of their website, there is absolutely no background information on either of these characters. Rick Mazur has nothing written whatsoever, and Sam Goldberg has only this massively long squeeze page that talks about how he his a full time professional trader and that he is a super awesome trader, etc. And then he has this long, winding, non stop section of supposed happy customer testimonials. Its all fantasy and hyped up nonsense. I especially like how he signs off with the following…

Sam Goldberg Futures Trading Coach

As a general rule of thumb, when someone signs their name with a P.S., and then adds a P.P.S., and then adds yet another P.P.P.S., then this person is real douche bag trying to sell you a crap sandwich. And Mr. Sam Goldberg continues with this fine tradition of douche baggery. Lets continue.

The Live Trading Room

The live trading room is moderated daily by Rick Mazur. The trading room typical opens at 6:30 AM, PST and usually lasts about 90 minutes. On October 1st, 2015 we signed up for a free trial of the live trading room. Each day we recorded everything that happened inside of the trading room. We wrapped up recording on October 13, 2015. In total, we collected 7 days of live market coverage with a total of about 14 hours of live footage. The entire time, the room was moderated by Rick Mazur.

At no time did we witness a live trading DOM, nor did we witness any trading from the charts. All of the trades were called out over the microphone. On day number one we noticed fantasy trades. What is a fantasy trade? This is where Rick would suggest an entry at a certain price, there would only be a quick cursory mention and then he would go about talking about something else. This created a lot of confusion because nothing was marked on the screen. No DOM, or trading on the charts etc. Considering that he is using Ninja Trader and is one of their most highly recommended educators, I was expecting that Rick could of at least placed a demo DOM on the chart. But he refused, apparently he likes to keep things confusing and hard to track.

As each of the trades evolved, I felt more and irritated. He would say things like “OK lets get a point or a point and a half here”. Which is it Rick? Is is a point or is it a point and a half? And he never once mentioned stops, I guess we were supposed to already know that each trade had a fixed stop?

To Rick’s credit, he would very often say that he did not get filled on a limit order trade. However, he would talk into the microphone and congratulate random people that claimed that they got filled. It sounded all too pre-scripted and I really wondered if Rick wasn’t simply making up these fantasy people, in order to claim that some of the viewers got filled.

At the end of the trading sessions, I asked for a screen shot of Rick’s filled trades. He refused. I also asked for an account statement to prove that these trades were actually filled. Once again, no response. However, Rick referred me to his YouTube channel where he goes over the days trades. Rick says that the YouTube channel is accurate and all trades are clearly shown in is wrap up video.

Apparently, the only way to build a track record for these guys is to watch YouTube videos. Which I did. What did I discover? The YouTube videos are pure BS. Everyday, Rick pushed out a video on YouTube and everyday, we would go back and match the YouTube video with our own camtasia recordings. We have proof that these buffoons are just another couple of trading hustlers. Lets got ahead and watch the videos.

Video 1: The Mystery Trade That Never Happened

In the following video, you can clearly watch and listen to Rick Mazur call a short trade on a limit order. The trade did not get filled, and Rick clearly states that the trade did not happen. Watch the clip.

Ok, so if you watched this short video, the trade obviously did not happen. However, the next day, Rick published an update video of the prior day trading room performance.

Now watch how slick Rick takes credit for the prior day’s trade, claiming that he got 1.5 points.

Day after day, we witnessed this type of trading. Where Rick would call out a price on a limit order, then claim that a random person in the room got their price. If the trade was a winner, then Rick would publish a video highlighting that “winning trade”. It was pure smoke and mirrors. And he does it in such a subtle way that we had to record a lot of video to catch the repetitive nature of Rick’s confidence game.

After watching him trade for several days, and then re-watching the video, and then watching the nightly recaps of the trades, the whole smoke show really pissed me off. I have to give him credit, he doesnt just come right out and start screaming that he got another winner, he does it in a very slight manner, sort of like a street magician. The trade calling is very nebulus and since there is no trading DOM, or trading from the charts, then whom can say what is really happening? And since there is no spreadsheet of the trades, then its difficult to pinpoint the fraud.

The only way we were able to conclusively catch the fraud was to slowly and meticulously watch the replay of each and every trade. Then we had to wait a day for the recap video to be released. Then we had to go back and match the recap video with the trades that we were able to clearly identify. This review took a lot of time and effort because it required a very meticulous and thorough investigation. At the end of collecting the evidence, I couldn’t wait to get this review written and published. Not because I had found some huge fraud, but because it genuinely required a lot of time and effort to document how they are scamming people.

Wrapping Things Up

Rick Mazur and Sam Goldberg, you will read this review, and its going to piss you off. You will cry foul and threaten to sue and proclaim that you are both awesome traders…but the truth is that both of you are frauds. Scammers. Neither of you has a verifiable trading record. If you do, then I would love to see it. In fact, nothing would make me happier than to come back and write a new review on how I got this one totally wrong. But I am supremely confident in stating the both of your are completely full of crap. Prove me wrong!

Thanks for reading today’s review. This one was especially irritating. Usually the fraud is easy to catch, but this one required a toothpick and a pair of tweezers. Thankfully its over. Don’t forget to leave your comments below. Even the trolls and haters will find that their voices are heard.

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Rick
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Emmett, Trust me when i say it does not take a lot of guts. Its just what it is. We have a stellar reputation, get most of our business from word of mouth because once people see what we do they refer everyone they know to us and there is very few things out there about us in a negative fashion. Its not because we just popped up a month ago and people did not have a chance to write anything because we have been around a long time and they site as been up for a decade. Its because… Read more »
former member
Guest
former member
Rick I spoke to both you and Sam extensively on Skype, then signed up. In your own trading there was a lot of narrative but no long term results ever kept or published. Yo have not a clue as to whether you are winning or losing from month to month. Sam even less. Never showed any statements or anything. One day Sam called a trade ( limit order, as he does), the price came to one tick before the entry, then went the right way and made great profit. But it never touched the entry . To my disbelief, Sam… Read more »
Jeff
Guest

Publish your live trading account for the last 6 months to prove that you trade your magical system. If you do not then you are another snake oil salesman trying to suck people in.

Rob B
Member
Emmett, You are completely insane! I have not only been a member of this trading room for over 50 years but my Granddaddy was also a member when they did it via telegraph. Believe me when I say Rick is the most honest man on the planet. I have known him since he was a baby and he wins 85% or more of the time. Gosh I made over $500K last year alone and have never even had a losing day. Yep I started with a $1000 account and now it is worth millions thanks to his brilliant calls. I… Read more »
former member
Guest
former member

Rob

:))))

couldn’t put it better myself

Hussein Adwan
Guest
Hussein Adwan
Emmit, I have been a day trader since 2008. I live in Amman-Jordan and had to learn about day trading the hard way by losing lots of money. I bought books, attended webinars, joined several trading rooms…etc. I believe I have seen and experienced most of what the trading rooms had to offer, the good and bad stuff. A good friend of mine suggested I try Sam’s room. I remember him telling me its the last stop you will make in the quest to be a better trader. Of course I was skeptical since I have heard this before. I… Read more »
Phil
Guest

I think about all the time and energy that gets poured into putting together a con like this and going through with it. Wouldn’t it be easier to learn how to trade and offer a legitimate service? Maybe that would just be too much work. Thanks for the review, Emmett – I hope these guys get shut down after this.

P.P.P.S. Their trading videos are a joke!

Ray
Guest

douche baggery – LoL

Fantasy trades – I did not know the proper term for this Thanks- Now I do.

These guys are masters at fantasy trade calls. I used to watch Marcello Arrambide
of the Day Trading Academy at any point in a training session he would have
multiple reasons to go long or short at any time.

Then after the move he would label it as either a Legacy trade- an advanced trade
or a pro trade. It is a beautiful system he uses he is never wrong. And many folks never caught on..

Kaiser Soze
Guest
Kaiser Soze

Itsa mean pony tail boy Marcello? Why you say these things Mr. Ray? hahahahaha

Rob B
Member

Emmett,

I am starting to think you started doing reviews of the most dishonest industry in the world in order to make you background look like that of an upstanding citizen. LOL.

Pretty much every trade room I have ever been to is just as you describe; all smoke and mirrors.

This has to be the worst regulated industry out there. I guess the regulators just feel day traders are evil and who cares if they are ripped off.

trader
Guest

SCAM after SCAM after SCAM after SCAM…………..
this is the most dishonest industry in the world

John Santos
Guest
John Santos
Three years ago I got the CFTC to shut down a trading room called ezprotrading.com. A couple months later Mark Katzenberger (we never know this is the con’s real name) opened shop under superscalptrading.com and scheduled a webinar through Ninja’s Educational Partners. I alerted NinjaTrader and spoke with Ryan via skype and provided all the proof of fraud, which had been verified and resulted in action by the CFTC. Still the con vendor was allowed to proceed with the webinar. I thought back then that the most effective way to deal a blow on this deceptive industry is a class… Read more »
Beye
Guest

Hey emmet, have you seen TradeZero.co, a broker that doesn’t charges fees for limit orders. Is based and registered on Bahamas so no PDT rule, and they said that the clearing firm is Vision Financial Markets. Looks interesting, but i wanted to ask you if you know about them or if you can research if its legit, because it would be a good alternative to Suretrader.

Tareq Hassan
Guest
Tareq Hassan
All I can tell you is sign up for Sam’s 7 day free trial. Spend those seven days with Rick and watch him trade the morning session. Decide for yourself. These guys teach you 5 setups that are working in the market at close to an 80% percent success rate right now. More importantly they teach you trade management. You can figure almost all of this out in the free trial. Rick is a master trader period. Sam makes his living off of the CL. Just see for yourself. I’m not saying trade management and setups are all that you… Read more »
Rob B
Member
Tareq, I had to comment. You make statements yet show no proof. Many of these trade rooms offer members a free month or two if they post positive reviews. Not saying you are such a person or that you are affiliated with the room, but you say they have an 80% win rate and yet you show no proof. Emmett’s video showed clear evidence of what is really going on and I have seen similar tactics in trading rooms that I tried in the past. I was dumb enough to fall for the trust me have blind faith scams in… Read more »
Dr. Dave Baker
Guest
Dr. Dave Baker
Mr. Moore, Your comments about Sam Goldberg and his trading methodology are so OUTLANDISHLY WRONG that I’m going to state some facts from my own experience with Mr. Goldberg that will prove you wrong and you need to admit it. You are doing a great disservice to the many traders who are looking for a robust trading methodology that consistently produces profits by writing such a negative article about Sam Goldberg. I have been attempting to trade futures for over 10 yrs and I have first hand experience that this business is filled to overflowing with scammers, con artists etc.… Read more »
Kaiser Soze
Guest
Kaiser Soze

LOOOOL Why do you gurus all try to sound professional? He’s full of shit. I heard this guy talk and he sounds full of shit. This is so blatantly obvious, the lies, that all of them tell that its more insulting that you think we believe it. If you just said, look man, I don’t trade because I’m a little crazy and possibly sociopathic, but, I’ll tell you we win 85% of the time we would hate you less.

Mike
Member

When will you fakers get it? It’s easy to write an entire assay without an ounce of proof. The video clearly shows that Rick is a dishonest person and lies about his results, that’s as clear cut as it gets

Keith
Guest
Sam and Rick are legitimate. Rick calls out trades the method produces, but does not discuss the method. Once you pay the Mentor fee and join the DNA trading room you will watch Sam call trades for the CL, TF and ES with details about the setup, stop, and profit exit with commentary on market conditions. The method is taught over a series of one on one meetings with Sam. He is available anytime after the initial instruction for personal help. Every aspect of trading is discussed. This method and instruction is the best that I have encountered. Pay the… Read more »
Kevin
Guest
After being a position (longer-term) trader for 19 years, I decided in 2009 to learn to daytrade. Rather than blow my account out like so many others, I chose to spend my money on education. To this end, I spent somewhere north of $35,000 on scores of courses, manuals, etc. on daytrading. Most were ineffective, yet there were a few I found to be profitable. I took the Futures Trading Coach free seven-day trial to their live call room. I was struck by two things. First, room moderator Rick went out of his way to take into account the fact… Read more »
Richard
Guest
Kevin, Please wake up and smell the baloney. They got you to come here and write a positive review because they cannot prove that they even trade themselves. Kevin, are you not just a little bit curious if these guy’s even trade? They wont show brokerage statements, they wont show a live DOM, they wont trade from the charts. All Emmett is asking for is that they put a DOM up on the screen to show that they can get those orders filled. Imagine if you went to a restaurant and the chef handed you the menu. You then ask… Read more »
Tareq Hassan
Guest
Tareq Hassan

Thanks for including my comment. I just wanted to add that I’ve been on the phone for combined hours in total with Sam and Rick from half way around the world especially in the beginning weeks for moral support. I needed to hear that yes it was achievable if you were willing to put in the hours and practice discipline. Both guys were always there for however long I needed. I’m sure others will chime in soon. Thanks again.

Rob B
Member
Emmett, Man I do not know how you so calmly put up with these shills, to put it nicely, all saying ” Trust me he has a 80% win rate”. You know how few if any day traders can do a 80% win rate? Well maybe if they are risking 100 ticks to make 2 ticks. All motherhood statements but they are missing just one little critical ingredient. ACTUAL PROOF!!!!. Can not one of these supposedly member who are knocking it out of the park show some prove of their amazing results? SHOW YOUR BROKERAGE STATEMENTS TO EMMETT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously, Emmett… Read more »
Mike
Guest

Emmett, Let us know if any of these shills (the ‘Dr’, tareq, Kevin, Keith, etc…) Actually send you any proof they win 80% of their trades

Mike
Member

Don’t hold your breath, Mike

chuck
Guest

Kevin,
Lets see the brokerage statements – Otherwise you are a liar. and stop posting your BS this is not Investimonials!

Sam
Guest

This is true about investimonials. Often a site like Jason Bond picks will have 200 reviews with 197 good ones , probably shilled fakes, and 3 honest ones. But then you have to select the filter selection to “show lowest rated first” because by default all the “highest rated” ones are shown on the first page.

Dan Beard
Guest

Can someone please verify that my COMMENT was received. Thank you, Dan Beard

Case Schiller
Guest
Case Schiller
I was in ricks room for 1 full month. I COULD ABSOLUTELY NOT make any profitability It’s just bogus and too ambiguous to be followed! Rick will constantly say, “GET RISK FREE” when you get into the trade even if it’s only in your favor by a tick. Trust me….IT”S BUNK with the benefit of ambiguous trades followed by his methodical daily recaps!! “GET RISK FREE” lol….gimme a break! There is a reason why there is no chart trader trading. (My gosh, they can so easily just place trades in SIM on the chart trader, right?) If he actually CHART… Read more »
Chris
Guest
Case, over a year ago I was in the room for a couple of months. I may have won a trade here and there, but you’re right, it was tough. He does constantly say to get risk free, and you’re only a tick positive. He created a lot of anxiety when you were in a trade. You honestly didn’t know if you were to stay in or get out, and invariably, when you got out, it would run, and if you didn’t and it stopped you out he would would say “I told you to get out.” So in the… Read more »
Dan Beard
Guest
Emmett: I’m shocked!!!! I have been in with Sam and Rick for over a year and can speak from experience. Even though I am in the Mentorship program, I frequent Rick’s room. I trade the ES exclusively and review each and every daily review Rick posts and scrutinize each trade he discusses. I have NEVER found any deviation, even a slight one- down to the tick, on a trade he called in the room for the respective day being reviewed. NEVER!!! I witness live every trade he calls and take most of them religiously. I reference the Oct 1st thru… Read more »
Stray Dog
Guest

@ Rob B LOL
@ Dan Beard at 76 years of age you should have accumulated more common sense.

Artem
Guest

How don’t people understand that posting these comments they are making it all even worse. Only one explanation — they have nothing to show but start spamming…

trader
Guest

LOL ROB.B ………YOU MADE MY DAY I WAS LAUGHING FOR DAYS……

Rob B
Member
Amazing, Self-Proclaimed member after member all hitting it out of the park with 80% plus win rate; yet not one of them can show a lick of proof. Instead it is trust me and just sign up. I have been to this type of trading rooms and have seen the same smoke and mirror deception again and again to sucker in naive traders. The trader makes murky and worst hindsight calls and declares winner after winner. If the price goes up one tick and then price slams down, they say did you get that tick, when in reality anyone who… Read more »
BIGLOU
Guest

I find it amazing that when asked to show even the slightest proof to back up the 80% win ratio via broker statement they just simply vanish into thin air. I want to believe but…IF YOU CANT SHOW PROOF THEN HOW CAN POTENTIAL MEMBERS TRUST WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO SELL?
what is next the Nigerian email scammers will get into the business?

Jordan
Guest

Again, the amount of effort you put into this is greatly appreciated. I think that the icing on the cake is the fact that you have actual video evidence of the scam being pulled off — that’s something they won’t be able to dismiss.

In spite of this, I fear there will still be people who will fall for this. I’ll try to get the word out about this site, if only to save a few from that fate.

Brian
Guest

Emmett,

I entered the trial this week and still have one more day to go. My first trade I made a mistake and got stopped out. But even counting two trades I made a mistake understanding what Rick was saying. Even with the mistake I achieved a 75% win ratio. I on 8 out of 12 with those mistakes.

Of course, I’m trading in a sim account and would gladly share. If you email me directly,

Henrich
Guest

I see picture of Sam G with the short hair, on the thumbnail to this page, is that Rick in the upper right corner with the bouncy curly hair…he look like someone cool I could hang out and hit the bong with.

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Rick
Guest

Henrich,

That is I — sure we can do that and also make lots of winning trades together 🙂

Henrich
Guest

Awesome Rick, i knew that you were cool! Let’s spark one up, make some trades and get risk free!

Steve
Guest

Thank you so much Emmett for doing these reviews!!

I have ALWAYS wondered about Sam and his operation; Someone who makes such ridiculous statements (i.e. there is no better trading system, he does opposite of 95% traders, etc etc) is either completely clueless about trading, complete narcissist or probably both.

Rick and Sam, just post your records and show your trades already if you are so hot. All the other legit guys are doing it – why can’t you.

great work Emmett!

Jeff Taylor
Guest
Jeff Taylor

Hi,
I have noticed that Rick mentioned Collective 2.
Emmet are you aware of the record there, and if so, would such a record be proof enough for you?
I will not give the link, but just pose the question.
I see a successful record, in fact the sharpe ratio was over 10 until a C2 bug caused a a drawdown of around 13 % percent I believe
jeff

Lee
Guest
I was in the trial room with Rick on Friday 8th January 2016. At first I thought it was bogus. It seemed like I was the only one there but he kept talking to people that I can’t see nor hear. He was there talking and answering questions….making calls and cancelling them s&p 500…sniffing a lot (sounds like taking Coke)…it was long and tedious to the point where I was about to say f this. Then he made 3 calls to sell… I ignored the first two…then I entered the third one which was to sell @1936.50…he then said to… Read more »
Adron Wood
Guest
I just wanted to post my experience with Sam and Rick since I have been in contact with them for over 2 years now. First of all they are not scammers, they are the real deal. I have spent many months in Ricks room taking his calls and they are definitely right at least 80% of the time. I have my own logging business so I am not able to consistently trade since I am out in the woods most days. When things get slow though, I try to get back in the room. Rick has always been very helpful… Read more »
Scott
Guest
I joined with Sam a few years ago and found him to be honest and trustworthy. His method is solid and works most of the time like he says. It did seem odd that he did not show his trades and I questioned him and Rick about that. “Where’s the proof” ? Can I see a trade log…a DOM… anything ? I can see where people would be suspect about Sam because of that but I’m sure he has his reasons. They said it shouldn’t matter…just trade the method. I definitely got frustrated with that but pressed on with the… Read more »
sam
Guest

This reminds me of Larry Levin’s tirade of fake testimonials on trade2win. There were like a hundred people obviously made up posters by their sales team saying they improved their trading. http://www.trade2win.com/boards/educational-resources/54572-larry-levin-secrets-traders-4.html#post1056622 As you can see, more people continued to fall for this scam because they didn’t catch this review. https://futures.io/vendors-product-reviews/33765-sam-goldberg-futurestradingcoach-com.html ; How much money are dupes going to lose paying 3k to 6k for various “mentors” and hundreds per month on expensive rooms before they wake up from the dream-inducing kool-aid of these scams?

Scott
Guest
I am definitely NOT part of Sam’s sales team. And haven’t been in touch with him since…only to wish him a happy birthday. But as I put in more and more screen time trading, I am realizing that it is possible to succeed at this. It is unfortunate that the people interested in trading end up seeking out a mentor because they become frustrated and impatient and end up forking over 3k to 6k. When all they have to do is find they’re own method, how ever long it takes. These mentors know that most people want to be making… Read more »
Rob B
Guest
Yes, trading is difficult and you better be prepared to spend a lot and I mean a lot of time to be successful. This is a full time job Plus. But I have to comment on this remark, because most trading rooms are teaching complete non sense and it does not matter if you study 10 hours or you spend 100,000 hours, you will never be able to trade the methods they teach profitably and that is the problem. And worst they and their shills will tell you, you just need to spend a little more time. This has 2… Read more »
Scott
Guest
They also can cover they’re butts by asking the struggling trader to “send me your trades and we can go over them” They say…we’ll I told you..it doesn’t work all the time. Only 75 to 80 percent of the time. You would have had to pull the trigger on every qualified set up. VERY difficult to do when you’ve just lost .Very common that the first year goes like this. By that time they have your sign up fee and a years worth of monthly fees. And you feel like a failure and your still not profitable like you thought… Read more »
sam
Guest
Good points. And I tend to think it’s even more fraudulent how these trading room hosts perpetrate. I think they don’t even have a live account, maybe haven’t had one for years or as long as they had the trading room. I was in a room for a month where I mentioned in the chat room of which I seemed to be the only real member , that “luckily it was sim”. The host misunderstood me and quickly reacted “yes i’ts all sim!, but…” , where I had actually meant luckily I had been on sim following their calls in… Read more »
Scott
Guest

On the subject of SIM trading….look how well we ALL do in SIM…it’s no wonder that they don’t trade their live account while they’re running the rooms.

majormongo
Guest

Speaking of POS scam artists…I think Emmett takes the cake. Nice Job Emmett on this rave review of just how trustworthy and honest your endorsements are…who’d listen to a fraudulent con artist such as yourself…just idiots who can’t think for themselves.

http://tradingschools.info/2015/08/05/a-review-of-emmett-moore/

Greg
Guest
Guys, I am not here to speak for either Sam nor Rick! I took the 5 day trial about a year ago. Joined in with the method 2 month later. Trading ever since. This is not for everybody. Stop whining! Start learning! Rick and Sam are two very unusual guys, they are not easy to like. But I don’t need to. I liked what is saw and that was enough for me. Do you believe anybody will give you his/her experience for free. NOT! Don’t join with them if it’s not to your liking. Go elsewhere to learn, they have… Read more »
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