Investors Underground Review

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Summary

A slippery hustler of a penny stock promoter that has figured out how to parlay sophisticated Pump And Dump deception into a new venture of selling worthless DVD's and subscription trading advisories.

Pros: Very, very slick marketer. Is extremely skilled at harnessing the implicit legitimacy of Profit.ly into massive amounts of sales of DVD's and monthly advisory newsletters.
Cons: Trades cannot be verified. The chat room is a poor quality experience where no specific trade entries from Nathan are given. Yet another trading charlatan that will not verify real trades.

A Closer Look At Nathan Michaud and Investors Underground

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In today’s review, we are going to take a closer look at Nathan Michaud of Investors Underground and Investors Live. Both Investors Underground and Investors Live are stock day trading rooms that offer live trading recommendations for a monthly fee of either $197, or $297. In addition to a live trading room, Nathan Michaud also markets and sells an educational DVD titled Textbook Trading for $1,197 and another educational DVD titled Tandem Trader for $1,147. Both of the DVD’s proclaim to teach you all of the techniques and talents that you will need to make money. How much money? A lot. Millions of dollars. In fact, on Profit.ly, Nate proclaims verified gains of $6,700,000 from the Investors Underground subscription advisory, as well $226,000 from the Underground Scans advisory, and then finally a profit of $4,180,000 for the Underground Elite advisory. The following are proclaimed to be verified gains from actual account statements that were uploaded directly from brokerages and are certified “tamper proof”. The profit.ly platform was designed and is maintained by Mike Mosseri, whom I have conversed with multiple times regarding the veracity, honestly, and robust fraud prevention techniques at Profit.ly. Mike Mosseri stands by these numbers.

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Tamper Proof Millions?

As I look at these equity curves, I really am amazed at the marvelous slope of profits. In only a short period of time, just by purchasing a DVD and copying the Investors Underground Trades, I too can have the possibility of starting with nothing and being a multimillionaire within a couple of years. And since all of this comes with a guarantee that all of these trades were executed, why should I not just quit my day job and become a millionaire trader just like Nathan Michaud?

Is Profit.ly Really Real?

Well folks, unfortunately Profit.ly is literally a vipers den of hustlers and cons submitting fake trading data. In fact, I am so sure that Profit.ly is total BS that I set out to be the VERIFIED WORST TRADER on Profit.ly. You can read about the BS of Profit.ly by reading either of my previous posts Located HERE and HERE.

Back To Nathan Michaud

One of the things I enjoy about Nathan is how well he markets his service, and the slick approach that he executes the marketing strategy on a daily basis. On one platform….Profit.ly, he is active and uses the platform as a proxy performance location where “real trades”, from supposedly real account statements are posted. Profit.ly is a massive traffic source that lead directly to his website. Which of course is strangely devoid of any Profit.ly charts showing those multiple million dollar trading profits. And so, on one hand Nathan is using the implied  third party credibility of Profit.ly, and on the other hand, which is his website, he does not need to show massive trading profits. Showing massive returns on his main website only opens him up to scrutiny. However, Nathan was always not so careful, in fact he used to constantly trumpet his Profit.ly success on his main website. You will not find any trace today, however if you were to peruse Archive.org and search www.investorsunderground.com, you will find that Archive.org actually randomly saves screen shots of previous website images and text. The image that you see to the right was scraped from Investors Underground ReviewArchive.org. I dont know about you, but verified profit of $9,000,000 for Investors Underground seems a little rich. The best part is that this supposed profit happened over ONE TRADING DAY. Amazing! Sign me up!

Of course, I have had quite a few doubts for several months about Nathan Michaud. I have reached out to him multiple times. I always ask the same things, can you send me a spreadsheet of the trades that you called live in your trading room? I want to see if the live calls inside the live trading room really match up with the Profit.ly services. Ask, ask, ask. I try and try and dig for the truth. Thus far, the only thing that Nathan will provide are the logs inside the chat room. He says that everything is revealed in those logs. What you see below are a typical day’s trading logs, which contain all of the proof that I need (so says Nathan). Have a look…the following log is from March 11, 2015, and according to Profit.ly, nearly $100,000 in verified trading profits were accumulated during this single trading session. See if you can find the profits, this is what Nathan Michaud sent me, this is supposed to constitute as proof of his trading success.

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Well, if you are like myself, after reading this hodgepodge of word scramble, then you are probably more than a little confused. However, perhaps confusion and misdirection are all part of the ruse? Perhaps there is a certain genius to the method of providing information from source A, which implies credibility and then using this information to induce someone to take action at source B. I dont know, but the more I look at this and think about this, the more this whole thing appears to resemble a stock manipulation or a pump or dump. Did I say pump or dump? Yes. Lets continue.

Slick Marketing, Deception, Pump And Dump, Nathan Michaud

How did Nathan become such a deceptive marketer? The truth is that he got his start a few years ago as a pump and dump con artist. What is this? A pump and dump is where a slick internet marketer colludes with a penny stock operator to create artificial demand for a virtually unregulated security. The scheme is pretty simple actually, you create a bunch of internet press releases touting some incredible breakthrough for a little known company, and then have several counter parties that hold large portions of virtually worthless penny stock trade huge quantities of worthless stock among themselves. The effect is to create a massive amount of hype, fake wealth creation and huge trading volume. The volume, internet hype and hysteria begins to take on a life of its own and the price of the worthless penny stock spikes higher. Once the spike hits, the promoters quickly dump the shares of stock for a profit. The little guy with the stock trading account loses his money. Pump and dumps are fraud. But at their heart, its all about deception. Creating the illusion of something legitimate and exciting happening at location A, while steering the target into location B, and location B is where the profit motive is executed. So, within the context and relationship that Profit.ly and Investors Underground currently coexist, it becomes highly apparent that Nathan Michaud has taken his learned power of deception in promoting penny stocks into a similiar parallel relationship in selling fraudulent investment advisory services. Great for Nathan. Probably not for you.

Digging Deeper

Some of you might not need to read any further. However, if you are interested in learning more about Nathan and the pump and dump culture, you really need to understand some of these colorful characters. In Nathans last pump and dump, he was fined nearly $100,000 from the Securities and Exchange Commission. You can read all about the complaint below, I found the scheme quite interesting and reveal that depths and levels of deception that some of these characters will explore…

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The Criminal Investigation

The document that you read above is the result of the SEC and a civil investigation. However, once in a while a civil fraud investigation will be so egregious and damaging to the public trust that the SEC will refer activities contained within the civil complaint to the Department Of Justice for criminal prosecution. The SEC is civil, the Depart of Justice works with the FBI and that means fail time. If you follow the progression of the criminal complaint, you will find that 6 of the 8 original defendants all served lengthy prison sentences. One defendant in particular, Pawel Dynkowski has yet to be arrested and remains a fugitive. Of the original 8, I was curious about Nathan and how he and one other person escaped prosecution.

Last month, I contacted Investors Underground and asked if Nathan would like to comment on the civil and criminal portions of the case, specifically how his co-defendents went to prison and he avoided it. He proclaims that he is innocent and since he did not go to prison, this proves his innocents. However, the truth is a little more complicated. I next contacted the US Attorneys office that prosecuted the criminal portion of the case and requested comment. They would not speak with me. However, the investigator for the Securities and Exchange Commission was more helpful. We talked about the case, the particulars of these types of frauds and how these cases are typically resolved by cooperative individuals that agree to talk, cut a deal to explain the intricacies of the scheme, and pay a fine. Such is the case of Nathan Michaud. His close insider testimony was crucial in the SEC’s investigation. In short,  the smaller fish, Nathan Michaud avoided criminal prosecution by ratting on the bigger fish, Matt Brown and various other participants. In addition to cutting a deal to avoid criminal prosecution, he also paid a fine of nearly $100,000.

I dont know about you, but a fine and the actual paying of $100,000 is serious. Nathan can claim that he is innocent and that he was actually the victim. But in speaking with the case investigator at the SEC, and asking the investigator if Nathan was actually the victim brought out a long and hearty laugh. In fact, the investigator said that the people that operate these pump and dump schemes are rarely ever prosecuted, and to think that these defendants had not operated many times prior, and many other frauds is a laughable prospect.

Wrapping Things Up

Nathan Michaud has a huge amount of customers. Many of whom act like he is some sort of financial Jesus. I will definitely be lambasted and attacked for writing this review. But at the end of the day, I have written what I believe to be the truth. And the truth, to me is pretty obvious. The obviousness of this is that Nathan Michaud has parlayed a career of scamming penny stock investors, into a new career of selling bogus educational products. He has taken the same basic principle of deception and moved it a new medium, a new platform. Well that’s if for today and thanks for reading. Don’t forget to leave your comments below.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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vibes
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Interesting review, I think there is some misinformation and this is a little biased. You haven’t even seen textbook trading and tandem trader? Nate covers this incident in both. There’s always 2 sides to every story, would have been nice if you had written about his side. Almost seems like you have a vendetta for these guys or just trading gurus in general? I think the point you’re trying to forcibly get across to the readers is that “these guys don’t trade they just sell their services” The reality is that any beginning, intermediate or even advanced trader – has… Read more »
Stray Dog
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Vibes I’d agree with your statement “The reality is that any beginning, intermediate or even advanced trader – has a MUCH greater chance of success in the market with support like chatrooms and proper education than just trading the market alone.” except that it’s clear from the reviews of IU’s chat room on sites like investimonials that new traders aren’t getting the support they need in the chat room. Questions aren’t answered, responses if they are given are brief, unhelpful and often rude and as for Nate’s educational materials (DVDs) they are rubbish for the price he is charging. A… Read more »
Boo hoo
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Agree, Nate is a whimper baby, crying every time traders ask him the same question. Those are his paying clients. The dude has no idea how much work it takes to make money in the real world.

Scott
Guest
Thanks for this detailed post. I am a trader myself but I sell no educational products and don’t try to make myself famous on social media. I have heard of these “guru” traders and, based on the hype and attention they were getting, I really thought back then that they are some master traders too that I can learn from. But the more I dug into them, the more I felt they had nothing really worthwhile to discuss when it comes to trading. I also joined CameronFous’s chatroom last year, but after a 2 month experience of him coming in… Read more »
Jake
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Scott,

I am just getting involved in trading and doing as much research as I can before jumping in. It’s so hard to tell the real from the fake in this industry and I feel like most of the ‘real’ successful traders are never going to brag on twitter or their own websites. Which makes it that much harder to make a network of honest traders. I am looking for a mentor or somebody to talk to a little more that has an honest view of getting into the industry. Let me know!

osi
Guest

hi is it possible for y to teach me?

Smith
Guest
I was in the IU chatroom about a year ago or so. I have to say, from my point of view, it’s not many ticks away from being a sham show. The videos have absolutely nothing to offer than goes beyond hundreds, if not thousands, of videos you can find on YouTube. The best resource on the site is Michelle, Most people join these kinds of services because they are looking to cut down the learning curve and pattern themselves after someone. That’s impossible to do on IU. There’s a ton of coded language and the site tries to make… Read more »
kate
Guest
I’ll preface this with- TRADING IS HARD. REALLY EFFING HARD. Expect to spend 2 or more years thrashing about, losing money and working your butt off. And no matter how smart you are, you may not make it, even after years of effort. You’ve heard it all before, but it’s true. Ok, my real comment: Been with UI for 7 months now and for me it’s been a great room to learn in. It’s work for sure and no one should ever blindly follow anyone there but there are some great traders and great alerts daily. Definitely no one will… Read more »
Stray Dog
Guest

Looks like Nate is breaking out the ol’ “post lots of fake positive reviews” strategy that he uses on Investimonials.

kate
Guest

I doubt it, I’m just a random middle aged woman who thinks the room is getting short shrift here. I doubt Nate knows who I am and he strikes me as the kind of person who wouldn’t give me the time of day in real life but whatever, it’s not Tinder, it’s a trading tool and I’ve found it useful.

Oleg
Guest

I purchased the original Textbook Trading DVD, watched it over and over. And I was in the chat-room for a long time. It caused months and months of frustration and anger. Awful experience. Took me a while to get back on track and start trading again.

Mike kathria
Guest

Nate IS GOOD AT marketing but his trades suck and he knows it. That is why he sells you his DVDs. He used to be with tim sykes who in my opinion is a marketing genius but idiot trader.

Angel
Guest

thanks for the review. I realized that they’re nothing but scam artists when i got to talk to them prior to subscribing.

Stray Dog
Guest

A quick check of investimonials site will reveal that all references to Emmett’s review of Nate and his various products have been deleted. You’re making a difference Emmett.

Ranger
Guest
Well, I’ve spent 3 months in IU and did a bundle with Tandem Trader. I figured if I could offset the cost with the trading alerts it would basically be free. I have done that, but the chat is restricted to where you are not allowed to post unless you are alerting an entry realtime. This works ok if you are just wanting to be fed entries, are the alerters entering? That is really irrelevant, because in the end it is up to you to enter or not. The TANDEM DVD is okay; I did get some info from it,… Read more »
Alexander jones
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Alexander jones
Emmet, Thank you for taking the time to write this review. I’d been considering joining Investors Underground for some time now but the more I research the more skepticism I develop. I’m a “rookie” trader with not much faith in the direction the economy is heading in and don’t trust that this “bullish” market will hold much longer. I’d like to begin putting my money into a source that will be able to profit if the market is to crash again. In my research, I came across another “guru” Mike Dillard who seemed to have the same views as I.… Read more »
Brian Fortin
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Brian Fortin
“I’m a “rookie” trader with not much faith in the direction the economy is heading in and don’t trust that this “bullish” market will hold much longer.” I’ll second Emmitt’s opinion that you are your best trading resource. Spread your nets wide and use logic, no single guru will teach you as fast a 2, or 4, or 8, or 16, you get the picture. And most of these people won’t charge you. I really don’t believe in trading instruction until you reach an impass and you have to pay for a diagnosis. Until then, the learning curve is so… Read more »
RV
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And to address the issue of the markets are total bs (and I couldn’t agree more)
as well as the importance of adapting a probabilistic mindset (casino mindset)
I highly recommend not even attempting trading without first reading Trading in the Zone by Mark Douglas.

-Best
-RV

Stray Dog
Guest

Brian … What a great explanation of the importance of risk management.

Karen H
Guest

There is a spin-off swing trade service, Trade On the Fly with Michele. They do daytrades in chat, again no entry verifications. Website has swing trade ledger with entries and stops given, also % gain or loss, but no definite commitment on trades from Michele…statement at top of ledger, “I may or may not be in any of these trades”. Seems like a legit service overall. Would be a good one to review in the future.

ciocana
Guest
Man this post is so bad. I was in his room for a year, and have both his dvds. Dvds are superb, especially the Tandem Trader one. His chat is great for setup alerts. The guy does post his entries and exits for anyone who wants to follow. I left the chat, but because I have learned a ton from these guys and am on my own with momentum trading now. As for Nate, the guy is legit. He posts entries in chat, as well as pics of p/l on twitter. Why does he run a chat and share ideas… Read more »
tc
Guest
Wow.. all the negative comments here are all losers who lost money in market and don’t know how to trade. I’m not a member of IU chat, but I have watched Textbook Trading and several others. All of u complaining about not getting “alerts” are idiots.. chatrooms and twitter all talk about the same momentum stocks for that day.. it’s simply a live scan that gives u a watch list for that day.. those stocks have the most eyes on it so volume is way up . That’s the only alert you need.. u watch the stock and trade accordingly… Read more »
Clinton
Guest

Oh brother!! Another faithful card carrying member,,,,,

TheTruth
Guest
Good to see a truthful posting about Michaud and his fraud ring. InvestorsLive is good at promoting his trading service, posting fake reviews online, and recruiting affiliates to market his products, but the truth is he is nothing but a snake oil sales person selling a get rich quick scheme. The chatroom is BS, the trading “strategy” is complete BS and I haven’t seen one person profit long term using this strategy. Sure a few traders in the “IU” group get lucky and have some big profitable days, but in the end all of them end up blowing up their… Read more »
Jackson Five
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Jackson Five

Nathan is just another artist roping in the starry-eyed. He cheers on his charities in order to ease his suffering conscience, but the fact is that he knows he does more harm than good. Shame. Avoid.

Goldenbones
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Goldenbones

Hey Emmett, have you viewed tandem trader or textbook trading? If so. Are the DVD’s worthless in your opinion? Or are they of good use. Thanks Emmett!

Hounddog
Guest
I’ve gone through the videos. They are a lot of sped up live plays for the most part. The style is very hyperactive and full of Nate-ism explanations that don’t make sense unless you understand what is is saying. There is no help in helping you actually find what plays you should be playing. If you can learn from something like that, they are at least somewhat useful. Personally, when I am trying to learn something, I like someone to show me what they are doing at a pace that doesn’t require constant pausing and replaying, and use normal understandable… Read more »
James
Guest

Nate’s setups don’t even make sense. That’s because he doesn’t explain the setup itself. If you ran a filter looking for a certain stock, wouldn’t explaining that filter tell you what price behavior you’d be looking for? Of course it would. If I threw a bunch of symbols at you, what would you do with them?

Tom
Guest
Thanks again for your many reviews, Emmett. Over the years, we have heard from numerous gurus and other traders who claim to be successful and that all they want to do is help others learn how to trade. I am sure some of them actually care about helping others. But I would bet that if one is successful at trading, they could be far more profitable playing that game then trying to sell advice. It goes to prove how gullible we all have been at one time or another. Nothing comes without a price. For example, If a million would-be… Read more »
Toby
Guest
Hi Tom I’ve been for 5 years now in market. Been through lot of rooms, but to my luck, I’m very defensive with my money and that saved me. Only last year I started making profit on constant basis. My experience, on long term no day trading room is going to make profit. There are many reasons, but first one that promoters live and make most of their income from people in room, not their trading. Second thing, but most important, if you had a good system would you sell it, and risk for it to become less effective, or… Read more »
James
Guest

Toby, I’m wondering if you would share what you think was your breakthrough last year. Thanks.

Karen H
Guest
If Michele is still one of the moderators at IU, then she’s awfully good at multi-tasking. I don’t participate in the TOF chat, because I don’t really care for chatrooms and also because there’s a big time difference for me. I do know she moderates her own chat at TOF because I sometimes read the logs. I just wanted to make sure that her new service isn’t tainted by any association, previous or otherwise, with IU. if she won’t give you the time of day and cooperate in a review process because of a ‘burned bridge’, there’s really nothing I… Read more »
Vytautas
Guest

Emmett,

I am reading and reading all the posts and after reading this one you got me (was a bit sceptical at first while I thought you are just big hater). SEC fillings is one thing you got me with. Nathan is scammer and I am feeling very naive of thinking that IU is place for people who trades stocks like peanuts. Also you should make site were everybody could verify trading results with 100% Emmett’s approved transparency!

murray
Guest

Emmett…how can you review something if you don’t even use it. If you would go into chat than you could see Nate does his trading there, if you would look into his dvd’s you could learn the setups he is using. There is nothing wrong with you but still if you write a review you should put some time into it.

Mikey
Guest

I’ve read several reviews of yours and I really enjoy the fact that you dig deep for facts, and not just speculate. Please correct me if I’m in the wrong, for I do not know the legal side of these sorts of things; I have both trading DVDs of Fous, Nathan, and Tim. I’d be more than happy to share these for free, if it is legal to do so of course.

Stray Dog
Guest

It’s not legal to share that material. You and anyone who copied the content of those DVDs would be doing something illegal.

blue
Guest
This review is my honest and scrutinized opinion.,unbiased .I was a member of IU for 2 months .I am trading about 2 years now .Cant say very successful But consistent .I have tried different newsletters – like Tim’s Penny silver . i heard a lot about IU so thought to give a try .Then i joined and was there for 2 months . First of all , $197 p/m for IU standard is pricey .Their aim to advertise to make this community for both new traders and experience traders .so most of the traders (newbie) who takes good amount of… Read more »
Adrian
Guest
I was a member of IU chat room for 3 months. It motivates you to become a better trader, sometimes gives good entry signals and trading ideas. The trading strategies from the Textbook trading DVD create an illusion of “holly grail” of trading, and don’t teach risk management, which is, by my opinion, the most important ingredient of a successful trading system. You hear in the chat room and on the website about the members making thousands per day, try to do the same using the methods they teach, but you end up loosing money. Why? They will tell you:… Read more »
dr gurmani
Guest
Hey i m part time activetrader in iu trading. The first day i traded with nate. I lost because i followed him in a short sell trade without knowing how to trade. But from then every trade i lost. i learnt from it. Trading is an art. It doesn’t just happen. For some people yes. But for most it takes time. His teaching is not bogus but one has to first learn it for some time. Yes he was a penny stock trader but he did told every one about it . and he moved from penny stock trading to… Read more »
John Smith
Guest

Will be interesting to see if you have any updates on risk management for stock rooms considering a few of them recommended $KBIO swing short. many accounts likely blown today. Sad and unfortunate for new traders. Bests.

Jake
Guest

I am a member and have no issues

Ray
Guest

I have been with UI for 2 months now, I have had no issues so far!

jason Jackson
Guest
jason Jackson

No Issues Here. Love these guys!

sam
Guest

Same talk as all the other alert rooms or newsletters. “trade accordingly”. some try to sell extra “courses” on download videos or dvd’s for more than the monthly rate of the alerts/room. A retailer can just set up their platform to check for stock movers. It’s like when simple indicators used to be special addons in the 90’s. Now platforms have all the old indicators for free and many have built in scanners that one doesn’t need to pay an alert monthly service for.

John
Guest

Interesting: looks like Investorslive LLC submitted a DMCA takedown request due to the embedded chat transcript: https://www.lumendatabase.org/notices/12045903
Any comment?

Peter Andersson
Guest
Peter Andersson

Emmet what about Tim Sykes do you have to say if you say all this about Michaud ???

Phil w
Guest

Doesn’t look like it’s over 1 month. Modern rock even recommends him and doesn’t like sykes and hates gurus..

just an operator
Guest
just an operator
that figures, i watched a couple hours of one of his earlier products, and it just didn’t make any sense to me. I mean i expected to understand at least half of it, but it just seemed to be mumble jumbo, i couldn’t even understand 20% of it. so now i understand, the whole thing was probably 80% bs. and now he’s got this investors charity thing going on, it figures he wants everyone to believe he’s also a good guy. and every picture of him he’s got a big smile. damn, just another con artist conning the fools who… Read more »
Joe
Guest
I think the major challenge consumers face is once the scammer gets exposed enough to where the tactic no longer works, he/she will move on to another medium only to continue the fraudulent behavior(just in another form). Emmett according to you, Nathan Michaud could be a prime example of this i.e. moving from pump & dump schemes to selling “worthless” educational products about trading. I still think its important to continue to raise awareness about these people especially in this unregulated space of selling so called “trading education and mentorship” through online chatrooms and overpriced DVDs. I hope people will… Read more »
Michael Storm
Guest
Michael Storm
Pretty awesome review. I read both the original and follow up. I also am a trader of 17 years with a lot of experience. Being that trading is a lonely business and its more fun with others, I too joined this group for about 2 months. And I gave it my 100% all both in focus and attention. Try as hard as I could, I could not understand the lingo used throughout the day. A few times I did even Direct Message Nathan to ask some questions. The replies were very short, and sometimes rude. If I asked another question… Read more »
Mike Bahia
Guest

What a post full of Misinformation

MYnameisMarc
Guest
MYnameisMarc
I was a member of IU for a year, bought my yearly subscription after I tested it for one month. I followed Nathan before on Twitter and my expectations were high. Before joining IU I spent a year. trading, reading and learning about trading. As trading was never my primary source of income (and it will never be) I was not worried if I lose money, I just wanted to learn to trade properly. If you are starting with IU, prepare to buy at least 1 or 2 DVDs. First one is called “Textbook trading”, the second one is “Tandem… Read more »
Johnny
Guest

Was IU member for a while…..this is an honest and accurate review!

Clinton
Guest

Nathan Micaud needs to publish his legal tax documents to prove the truth. It appears he makes his money via sucker subscribers and DVDs sales. Only a slimy business shyster would refus to do this. Anyone who disagrees with this is not thinking rationally. Come on Nathan!! Get an independent accounting firm to do this you lowlife!!

Reviews
Guest

IU chat is defintely not easy for a new trader, and honestly you shouldnt expect any detailed answers intraday in the middle of trading. Nate does a very good job of answering questions in detail during his weekly webinars, he also has an extensive archive of past webinars which pretty much answered 90% of questions i had without me needing to ask. Just my opinion thx

Mike Biladid
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Mike Biladid

What a post full of Misinformation

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