Traders Den 24 and Night Scalper UPDATED Review

Traders Den 24/Night Scalper
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  • Quality
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  • Cost
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  • Support
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  • Verified Trades
    (5)
  • User Experience
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Summary

Vendor really stepped up and decided to be open and transparent. Bill Costarides went from ZERO to HERO. All trades are now verified.

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3.34 (35 votes)
Comments Rating 5 (1 review)
Pros: Trading performance is now completely transparent. Trading room owner decided to take the path of openness and honesty in trading results.
Cons: The trading room has a couple of assistant moderators that should not be moderating a live trading environment. Bill likes to trade at night. If you are located in the US, then expect some weird hours.

Original Night Scalper, Traders Den 24 Review

On January 6th, 2015, I published a negative review regarding a live day trading room named Night Scalper, AKA TradersDen24. You can read about the negative review by following this link.

The room is owned and operated by Bill Costarides, and Bill claims to be a pretty good trader. My review covered over 50 hours of recordings of trading sessions. Although the moderators were quite nice, I could not verify even one live trade. A couple of the moderators were simply calling trades based upon gut feel, did not show a trading DOM, nor gave clear instructions on entry or exit points. Also, on the website, there is no record of trades. Big red flags. And I certainly have the videos to prove everything.

Post Review-What Usually Happens

Usually, after I post a really negative review, one of two things will happen. The proprietor of said trading room either disappears or protests. Websites just go blank! Sometimes they create a new name and move all of the sales copy to a new address, making the same pitch to the same rubes. Sometimes they email me and scream obscenities, threaten lawsuits, call me and leave nasty voice mails messages, and all sorts of negativity. Which of course, is great! I want nothing more than to engage with a trading vendor after a negative review. This is actually an opportunity for us consumers in the trading marketplace to air our grievances and let our voices be heard.

What Happened with Bill Costarides

Bill disagreed with my review. And I simply explained that his moderators were a bunch of clowns, that should not be moderating a trading room. If customers were to follow these moderators, then they would lose…BIG TIME. In addition, I flat out stated that I thought that his trading products were flat out nonsense, and that he probably could not trade his way out of a pair of dirty underwear.

The Wizard Behind The Curtain

Sometimes, after I write some really harsh and tough language in a review, feelings can be so hurt and intense that any sort of forward or progressive dialog becomes impossible. I try and be as nice as possible, even after a negative review. With Bill Costarides, I simply asked for an account statement that proves he eats his own cooking. Usually, this is where the conversation ends. Most vendors do not trade. And the ones that do trade would never show an account statement because the wizard behind the curtain is never as powerful and omnipotent as the mysterious wizard hiding behind the curtain of mystique and intrigue.

Removing The Curtain

I was very nice with Bill Costratides, I would not rewrite or remove my “negative hate filled lying” review unless he show me definitive proof of trading activity. And in all honesty, I did not expect to ever hear from him or anyone as his company. However, one day I received an email from a registered commodity broker that had been given me unfettered access to complete trading records to Bills trading account. Awesome! What a surprise! Lets review.

Trading Records and Proof Of Trading

Well folks, I have the statements going back to origination and founding of Night Scalper and Traders Den 24. Since the day to day trades cover a massive amount of information, I have decided to only include the monthly statements which show the consolidated trading results.

Nightscalper-Legacy-Account-June-2014-to-March-2015

Some of this might be confusing to some readers, so let me dig out the real numbers, the only numbers that matter…the monthly profit and loss:

May 2014$20,000
June 2014$22,269
July 2014$26,730
August 2014$23,611
September 2014 $26,600
October 2014$24,600
November 2014$21,352
December 2014$22,491
January 2015$28,836
February 2015$30,182
March 2015$32,509
Some of your might be looking at this, and be thinking to yourself that $12,500 in after commission profits is not that good. However, this is a return on your account of over 50% in only 10 months. And my friends and enemies alike, a 50% return in only 10 months is FANTASTIC. If this trend continues, and in speaking with Bill, this is quite the ordinary, you could actually have a chance of having a nice savings at retirement. Or if you can learn Bill’s method, then you have a real shot at earning a living at trading. Are the draw downs on account too much? Did he draw down to break even? Yes. However, this is the truth about trading that nobody every talks about. And the simple truth is that successful trading is never a straight line, upward equity curve.

Where Do We Go From Here?

Quite obviously, I have to sit here and eat humble pie. Bill Costrides is a successful trader, and he has proven his ability, without a shadow of doubt and trade by trade he has proven his mettle and skill. So, should we now all plunge into this and purchase what he is selling? In my opinion, not yet. The reason is because the room is being moderated by several individuals that should not be moderating a live trading environment. If Bill were to commit to a set schedule and give us unlimited access, then this would be a great opportunity.

Another consideration, Bill loves to trade the night session, which means that you could be watching a monitor at 2 am. I am not sure that I want to sacrifice a good nights sleep, but this might be appealing to you. Perhaps you live in Europe, Hawaii, Asia, etc. where these hours would be the normal working day. These should be your own personal consideration.

The Most Important Lesson

In my opinion, the most important lesson to be learned is that as consumers of trading products, we need to start being more assertive with vendors regarding providing an authentic trading record. If we want to model another trader, or learn a technique, we need to start absolutely demanding authenticity. Sure, some of my reviews are harsh, ugly and brutal, but the end result is that several vendors have really stepped up and gotten transparent with results. Others have disappeared with their shady wares. Hopefully, with enough reviews, we can change the trajectory and start bending the arc towards truth and honesty.

Thanks for reading and don’t forget to leave comments below.

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Ron
Ron
1 year ago

With all this horseshit, there's gotta be a pony here somewhere...

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Well shoot, I thought I finally found someone worth following, but I see he’s closed up shop.
Newbe here, trying to find a good way to get into day-trading.
So many scammers, so much crap to sift thru, like looking for a diamond in a mountain of manure.
Thanks for all who shared and for this website.

Did you find this review helpful? Yes No

Clau
Clau
1 year ago

Hi! His website is no longer working and Bill Costarides is now part of DTI?
http://www.dtitrader.com/about/instructors/instructor-portraits-bill-costarides/
Cheers!

Michael Jacobs
Michael Jacobs
2 years ago

Nice work. Your review is spot on in my opinion. See I traded in the room around the time frame you stated and left the room due to one of the daytime moderators. Any question to him ending in a pissing match because he knew it all and that’s why he was a moderator and i was a guest. Trading with Bill was good but also seemed a little shady at first but finally got in sync at night, however as you stated late night takes a toll when you have a full time day job so that’s how i ended up on days.
Long of the story I’m looking at TradersDen24 again for the night ride with Bill. As of this writing do you feel Bill’s room is transparent and succeeding.
Thanks for your time and response!
Trader Mike

Jay
Jay
2 years ago
Reply to  Michael Jacobs

Bill sold the website this past spring. Don’t know if this site is a portal to some other site or not.

Sif
Sif
2 years ago

This guy Bill can’t trade for shit. Plus doesn’t refund the money he takes from your visa when in fact you have cancelled membership months ago. Support never ever responds to calls.

Sif
Sif
2 years ago

Don’t give these scammers your Visa. I’ve been in the trade room. Bill calls more losers than winners. And when I left the trade room he continued to take money from my visa. I have asked for it back several times to no avail. This guy is a thief and needs your visa payment to make money because his trading sucks.

Leo
Leo
3 years ago

Hello!
anyone has news for this website in 2017

thanks a lot!

Joe
Joe
3 years ago

I’m planning to subscribe to their service requested info about their trade log they have not responded, how trustworthy are these guys?

Kramnor
Kramnor
3 years ago

This is my general opinion. I am not trying to persuade you or get into a discussion. i see traders like Rob B have been scorched and want to at least reach out and let you know that this trade room will not hurt you. They don’t up-sell or ask for any more money than the monthly fee. It may not be your style or make the money you want, but for $147 a month I feel the education is worth it. E.g. John’s option strategy.

I have been in the room for a few months and have likes and dislikes. I like Bill and his calls. Bill trades during the Globex which may be your bedtime. He posts entries, stops and now texts them. He keeps a running PnL on a tab on the trading room window. Bill can autotrade your account. I wrote to Jeff Sabbath, the broker that executes Bill’s managed accounts. He provided me with a recent track record. The PnL matched what was posted in the room. I am considering having him manage my account.

West Coast Roy rejoined recently, and I like his education. He is very good at support and resistance areas. He does not type in his entries so unless I am listening closely I won’t catch. it.

Harry is a kind fellow. He types in his entries and exits. But take heed that for the longest time he did not use stops. Lately he has been putting stops in. His track record is profitable but not by much for the last couple months. He does not keep a track record anymore.

John is amazing if you like short term option trading. He is always available and in the room a lot. He will teach you everything about his option strategies. He will hedge an ES position with an option. So that may interest some of you.

Scott is almost always busy so you won’t get much of anything from him. He has the 1:30 ET trade setup, but other than that there is nothing to learn.

In summary, I think this is a place you can take a breather, just observe what is going on and maybe pick up some good trading habits. Harry and Bill’s trades are easy to follow. John shows his option trades spreadsheet every day or anytime you ask.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Kramnor

Nice comment. Am surprised that the negative crew haven’t attacked it.

Eddie
Eddie
3 years ago
Reply to  Kramnor

Hello Kramnor,

I’m very interested in joining and would like to know what Bill’s track record($%) has been recently as this article is old. He seems like a good old country guy and appears honest without all the guru hype. If you or anyone else can answer that I would truly appreciate it.

Kramnor
Kramnor
2 years ago
Reply to  Eddie

Sorry I haven’t checked this site for a while. Bill and Harry autotrade for customers. I believe their track record can be gotten from Capital Broker, Jeff Sabbath 708-655-7552. They now have trade alerts to your cellphone as well.

For me the main surprise is West Coast Roy. In my opinion he is best trader I have met in the trading world. He uses market profile and is very accurate with it. He uses small stops on the ES, usually no more than 5 ticks and goes for bigger targets. He calls out the trade verbally, and only sometimes puts it in the chat so you have to be listening. Roy became a moderator because he was a subscriber and kept typing his trades in the chat. Bill and Harry were very impressed at his accuracy and put him on as a moderator.

Peter
4 years ago

I just read your review on Traders Den 24. As you attended the live room I want to ask you if from your experience Bill was profitable or not. I am only interested in following Bill’s trades(no one else). Do you thing that following Bill is something worth trying?

Paul
4 years ago
Reply to  Peter

I’ve began a trial last friday 2/9/16.

As I live downunder and have always been told by so called educators in the US you can’t make money trading the night session. So , apart from trading ASX I will be focusing on what Bill has to say and teach during the asian session and following into the european session.

To date I have read and watched 90% of his material over the weekend and will enter the room tomorrow Monday 10am NZD time.

Paul
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Bill has made two calls both sells on the ES. First sell stop was hit, apparently it was meant to be moved 2 points higher but was never posted. Bill apologized for this error. If stop was moved higher would have returned about 4points profit.

2nd entry at sell 2185,75 moved about 1 point against the trade, hung about most of the day to move 2 easy points lower, retraced to entry zone and fell 2186 zone to 2178. Nice trade.

Bill’s commentary and knowledge on the markets is excellent. Mentioned what the DAX should do on news and 10 minutes later it tanked as Bill thought it would.

No opinion of the other moderators as yet, but they do seem a bit wacky at times, I bit of humour also.

In all so far has been a positive experience and am happy to be learning the market internals from Bill for the globex session.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

1 month in the trading room. Number 1 question. Have i made money. No. Has Bill made money? Yes.

I also missed a couple of entries that would have put the account into positive territory.

The biggest problem I have found is stop placement. At times Bill calls a trade only to be stopped before it moving in the desired direction. They stops are very tight mostly and the individual has room to adjust to their own risk management. So this issue can be rectified.

As an educational resource I feel Bill offers excellent material and if you follow his advice you will learn many gems. To have access to someone with the experience, and honesty is rare and I feel the fee charged is very reasonable and worth every penny.

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Just out of curiosity, you stated I am not making money but Bill is. Why is Bill making money while you are losing money? You say you missed some entries, but on balance why would that make a difference. Statistically if you are missing entries you would be missing losing and winning entries, so it should not make a difference except in maybe the amount of money you are making.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

I wouldn’t expect any positive from you Rob. I stated i missed some trades that would have turned the account to positive.

The other side of the coin is , I took all Bills winning trades and made a fortune.

My presentation of Traders24 is a true account of my experience. Perhaps you should try Trader24 and decide for yourself. Until then your opinion means nothing.

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

My question was neither positive or negative and I voiced no opinion. I am not sure why you would be so defensive on a simple question unless there is more that the eye does not see.

If I say positive things if there is something to be positive about.

I asked a question about your post, because I just did not understand the reason Bill made money while you do not and frankly still do not.

You state, “I missed some trades that would have turned the account to positive.”

OK, everyone misses a trade here or there, but statistically speaking you are just as likely to miss losing trades as winning trades, so on average it should not matter, unless you are just the most unlucky person in the world and only get his losers and never his winners. It is simple math. Do you not see that? Over time it does not matter if you only take 70% of Bill’s trades, except that you might make less money. If that is still not clear I will try this hypothetical example:

Bill makes 100 trades with a 60% win rate and his profitable.

You miss 30 trades, so you take 70 trades only. Over time (not some short period) your 70 trades should also average close to a 60% win rate and be positive. Especially when taking scalps in ES for a short period of time.

As for your 2nd point, I did go to Bill’s room and posted my experience. You can look at those posts.

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

You know I think based on your response I will this time voice an opinion.

First, if you have taken Bill’s trades for an extended period of time then your results should be close to the same. Not the amount of money made as you took less trades, but you should be profitable.

If on the other hand you took so few of Bill’s trades to evauate his results then how can you post he is positive? You have not taken enough trades to have any statistically meaningful results. So why post results for a over a short period. That is suspicious to me.

2nd if you have be making Bill’s trades you should have the stats on your trades. You should be able to come on here and say from date x to date y, Bill took 100 trades of which I took 70. His results our “XXXX” (showing win rate, profitability, MAE and etc.) and my results where “YYYY” That might at least be helpful and give some clue to what is going on.

But I find no value in someone that post I went to a room and lost money, but the room operator was actually profitable with no real explanation why.

Stray Dog
Stray Dog
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

Geez Rob B next you’ll be asking for the room operator to post brokerage statements to verify profitable trading. Stop bringing me down man. Be positive.

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Stray Dog

LOL! I could not stop laughing because this is what many of the trader’s I skype with tell me. They go from one room to another and when I say can the room operator show any proof what so every he trades profitable, they say, “Stop bringing me down man. Be positive” or something along those lines.

The funny thing is Bill might be able to trade profitable. I was just curious why Pete could not take his trades and be profitable.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

Why don’t you just pull your wallet out and spend $70..00 and take the 1 month trial. You MAY even learn something,

The other problem here Rob is you always try to turn comments into a negative and by doing that your intended or unintended comments are not only useless, but show the negative personality you carry. The world is not flat Rob. So take the trial and get back to us here in one month. Then your opinion may carry some weight.

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

As I stated I took the trial and posted my opinion at that time.

BTW, I have no opinion on Bill’s trading.

But none of that has anything to do with your post. You seem not to be able to provide any reasonable explanation why Bill’s trading was profitable, but you were not even though you followed most of his trades. And somehow I doubt you will ever provide a reasonable explanation.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

So you did the trial and got nothing out of it? OMG.

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

I will recap my post from long ago when I tried Bill’s room. This was awhile back so things certainly could be different. During the day when I trade the moderators where a bunch of clowns to put it nicely. They could not trade if their life depended on it. I went into details in that post.

Bill on the other hand traded at night and he was not even on the mic 90% of the time. He would just pop on now and then. So as I said then I was not able to follow Bill’s trading and had no opinion on Bill.

My comments here are not that Bill can or cannot trade profitable. But instead originally just nicely asking you to clarify why you could not take Bill’s trades over time and be profitable. But instead of proving any type of intelligent answer you went on a tyraid.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

.Rob B (does B mean Bulshit?)

This is your quote.

” In fairness I have not really followed Bill’s night calls.”

In regards to this room I don’t think you know what you’re talking about. You state you never really followed Bills calls. Yet you make huge statements and all the rest , blah, blah blah, one in every crowd i guess.

What a joke.

Stray Dog
Stray Dog
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

@ Paul, Tell if I’ve got this right. You haven’t made any money in Bill’s room, Bill won’t post his trading statements to prove that he’s profitable and Rob’s the one full of bullshit!

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Stray Dog

@Stray Dog,

If i said i made money would that be bulshit? If i say I don’t make any money thats bulshit too.

I understand most of you aren’t trading and use this site to make excuses why you can’t trade or to look for the holy-grail. Thats your choice.

I’m not just following Bills trades , i’m actually using his bias and numbers in correlation with my own system, Sometimes they are in agreement, sometimes not. At that point I decide whether to enter or not. The last month has all been about developing my own globex system and not to just follow another trader. Which is the reason for different results.The good thing is I have now made adjustments to my system and so far its looking great, but early days.

Its all green today. He called a near perfect long entry at 2141.50, now 2145.75.

Plus I also have another positive trade.

Not bad for globex.

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Paul,

I think you need to get back on your meds.

My comments where about your post where you promoted Bill’s room without providing any real useful information. In fact you still have not. I seriously doubt you took a single live trade that Bill took.

If you did you should be able to give your stats instead of your constant nonsense replies.

I think you are a joke. I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

Cyn
Cyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

“I was just curious why Pete could not take his trades and be profitable.”

You must have “Pete on the brain” syndrome. That was Paul. Stop robbing Paul to pay Pete. It is usually done the other way around, if you know what I mean? 🙂

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Cyn

LOL, at my age I pat my self on the back for at least getting one letter of the name correct.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

If I gave you a nice big bunch of flowers, you would find a rotten flower and bitch about it.

Just because you have some type of a psychological disorder, you don’t need to spread your misgivings to others.

Get help.

Get a life.

Perhaps Dr Phil could help you.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Cyn

Come on you guys. Do you actually think I am going to sit in front of my computer 24/5 in order to take every trade Bill posts???

If i took every trade i would have been profitable, as i stated.

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Paul

Did you fail 3rd grade math? You do not have to take everyone of Bill’s trades. No one said you did.

Do you not understand basic statistics? Are we suppose to believe you are just this amazingly unlucky person who only takes Bill’s losing trades?

I do not understand what part you do not get. I will once again try and explain it to you, but I am starting to think I am talking to a rock.

Statistically over time if Bill is profitable you should be profitable. Especially when some is day trading and making many scalps a day. Yes if you take 80% of this trades you will miss some winners and some losers on any given day, but it does not matter over time.

The only way it matters is if you only took a small number of Bill’s trades. But if that is the case then how can you make any evaluation of Bill’s performance. Are you evaluating Bill’s performance based on a small number of trades.

I keep coming back to the same point and you say and do everything but provide any type of reasonable answer. Why can you not provide an intelligent answer to why Bill is profitable and yet you are not. And please do not say I missed all his winning trades. That is nonsense.

dtchurn
dtchurn
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

These new comments prompted me to re-read the review. The .pdf statements are no longer accessible from the link. And I have to disagree. The vendor isn’t a ‘successful’ trader. Most would consider a successful trader to be able to make a living from trading, usually over 100k ross before taxes and the various expenses. All these just-breakeven traders who may show some statements or their dom aren’t quite there yet. Yet it’s a conundrum, where finding a vendor who could actually not have to do a site for extra income is as rare as winning the lottery, virtually zero chance. I would agree these particular vendors are a good value for a while to newbs because they show a verifiable struggle in trading as opposed to complete fantasy trading sham vendors. True, that almost no vendor covers the importance of dealing with losing trades, drawdowns which is bad % as the 99.9% sites showing no proof.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

If i had have taking over 30 trades in his room then i would have the minimum worth while statistical number to work with.

I valued Bill performance by his P&L shown daily while in the room and by the trades I logged.

It doesn’t matter what anyone says to you Rob, you will always find the negative.

Cyn
Cyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

You do seem rather awfully invested in trying to make us believe that Bill is profitable, even while your own trading is not, despite being a shadow of his.

Instead of being so combative, maybe you could tell us why you cannot match the performance of your hero.

All I see you write so far are excuses. If you lack the statistical data, then maybe you should have waited until you had enough data instead of this “praise to high heavens with no proof” posting that you are indulging in? No?

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Cyn

Do what i did. Take the trial and work it out for yourself. Not that difficult.. But then again if you’re looking for the holy grail then perhaps you are in the wrong place trolling forums looking for answers. Perhaps it’s you who is making excuses?

By the way Bills pnl today is + 258

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Yet once again you lost money. At some point you become unbelievable.

If Bill is doing so good, instead of providing no evidence, take his trades and shut us all up showing those amazing profits you are making.

Short of that you sound like a shill to me.

Stray Dog
Stray Dog
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

A desperate shill at that, trying to get a lousy $70 from a few people so he can keep the lights on and the wolves away from the door.

Paul/Bill, If I had a trading room and I was making money hand over fist you can bet my brokerage statements would be on display. I would need any more marketing than that.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Stray Dog

If you haven’t done the trial, or don’t intend doing the trial , What are you doing here?

Lousy $70. Is too much to find out for yourself?

Hilarious. Just shows the type of person this site attracts.

You should do your own home work instead of looking outside for the answers.

Stray Dog
Stray Dog
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Paul, my homework includes asking whether a trading room provider displays results. WhatchHimTrade and B12 Trader do. The good, the bad and the ugly are available for anyone to review so they can do their homework. Bill doesn’t display his results. Why not? I ask myself. Because he can’t trade I answer. I will avoid him and his room and I strongly suggest everyone else should too. Homework complete.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

Rob,

You go on and on and on about the same shit. You admitted you didn’t follow Bills trades, yet you know everything about his room and trading.

What a joke you are. Makes me laugh.

Just do a trial? Or are you to busted ass to do one, That why you are here trolling and posting for free.

Whatever anyone says to you goes in one ear and out the other because nothing is blocking traffic.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

RoB.

Why don’t you take your own advice as stated here by you.

“The problem is Bill traded at night so it was not really practical for me so I can not comment”.

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Paul,

You must be really dense. First I did take the trial and I told my experience.

And as I detailed in those post the traders at that site during the day where a complete joke. And I really questioned Bill’s ability to trade when he would hire others to be on mic who clearly were running a con.

But my post to you where not about Bill, but about your posts. At first I just politely asked you to clarify your post, but when you just got angry instead of simple providing any type of intelligent response, I knew something smelled fishy.

Then you finally come back and say or at least I think you are saying you only took a short trial. And you are telling people Bill is profitable based on that. Give me a break.

Sign up with Bill, take his trades for an extended period and then provide real proof of your profitability and then I will believe. Until then you read like a shill to me. But that is my opinion.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

You are welcome to your bias opinion. The funny thing is you state many times you never followed bills trades. So how can you form any type of opinion. Very weird to me.

Cyn
Cyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

At no time did I say that I was searching for anything. I was questioning your increasingly shrill and desperate writing to try to make us believe that some TR is profitable.

I was asking why you were making statements if you did not have the statistics available. For that you start another of your rabid, insulting attacks?

At this point you are so devoid of logic that even reading you is a chore. It is said that one should not argue with an ignorant fool because bystanders may not be able to tell the difference.

For that reason, I shall never again address your arrogant stupidity. See? I can be insulting too. You do not have any preserve on insults.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Cyn

You haven’t even taking the trial . What a joke that you even comment about it.

The best answer I can give you , Try it out yourself. Then you will qualify for comment.

dtchurn
dtchurn
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Emmett or Reina was in the room for 50 hours. He never saw a trade on a dom, just vague talk about going long or short. And it looked like vague sim talk. Earlier review at: https://www.tradingschools.org/reviews/night-scalper-trading-room/

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  dtchurn

@ dtchurn,

You are referring to Emmett’s first review which Emmett apologized for. Here it is.
Emmett Moore1 year 5 months ago
“Well I certainly owe Bill an apology. My original review was scathing and I really went after him. But he stepped up and shut my big mouth down, and put me in my place. Which I am very happy about

It is so nice, and an incredible rarity when a trading room vendor steps up and proves that he actually does trade. And trade successfully”.

Perhaps Emmet should do another follow up.

I’m very happy learning the nuances of Globex from Bill. No trade room is going to perfect and you certainly can not learn to trade via a trade room. Is the same as giving a person a fish, or teaching them to fish.

By listening to Bill and asking questions has helped to build my Globex strategy. Is just that simple. Irrespective of the antagonistic views of the fragmented few posting on this site.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

Just do the trial. You stated you never followed Bills trades but have plenty of advice about them. What a joke.

By the way, I watched WC Roy trade today and nailed 3 point trade with a 1 point stop. Awesome trading, , Bill also nailed a 2 point trade today that has moved 3 points, He closed at 2 points. Exceptional live trading.

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

“You stated you never followed Bills trades but have plenty of advice about them” Actually I provided no advice about Bill’s trades. It was your post that I commented about.

But I did watch both those Roy’s trade and the fact you are bragging about their trading tells me your a shill as I did see them trade.

Nothing but murky calls and claiming profits no matter what. I saw their stops taken out but yet they did not get stopped out. Even Emmett stated the other moderators were clowns, yet you now defend them. Give me a break. There is no end to shills that post here.

Emmett’s words, which from my personal experience in Bill’s room I confirm is 100% true:

“And I simply explained that his moderators were a bunch of clowns, that should not be moderating a trading room. If customers were to follow these moderators, then they would lose…BIG TIME”

And yet you now come on and defend these clowns by pointing out 1 trade. Who cares about 1 trade. It means nothing. I give up you are beyond hope.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

Should give up on replying with chapter long explanations why you can’t trade. We know already.

“If customers were to follow these moderators, then they would lose…BIG TIME” Which moderators are you referring too?

Roy and Bill trade very well. Its been stated here by many other posters other than the obvious. Yet you refuse to acknowledge anything positive and fabricate a world of suspicion and doubt.. Why is that Rob?

After your criticism of Bill and everyone else, Are you just too ashamed to admit it.? Sometimes we all have to eat humble pie, even you Rob..

Remember you are the one who admitted you never followed Bills trades. Or is that another big fat Rob lie?.

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

You must have some serious mental problems. You can not even comprehend my post. Instead you just throw out whatever you want to say. You are clearly a shill. I will respond, but I am not sure what the point is as you clearly do not even read my response based on you sill post.

“Should give up on replying with chapter long explanations why you can’t trade. We know already.”

I already have offered to show my brokerage statement proving I trade profitable, I dare you to do the same.

““If customers were to follow these moderators, then they would lose…BIG TIME” Which moderators are you referring too?”

As I stated in my post, this comment is straight from Emmett. Which part of that did you not understand.

And BTW I confirmed that as I watched the other moderators trade. None of them showed a DOM or any proof they took any trade. They were all clowns running a circus act. It was so obvious only a shill would post otherwise. I tell you what you take their silly trade calls and provide your brokerage statements showing profitability.

“After your criticism of Bill and everyone else, Are you just too ashamed to admit it.?”

There is really something wrong with you. My only criticism about Bill was I questioned anyone that hired a bunch of moderators that were a clown. My criticism was o you. Get it now – OF YOU!!!!! Your shill post. Maybe if you write that down 1000 times you will get it. But I doubt it. And admit what. I have nothing to admit that I already have not admitted to.

“Or is that another big fat Rob lie?.” Please provide any actual evidence I lied about anything I said.

So Lying Paul you keep on promoting Bill’s site and keep on showing no proof you or any of those clown moderators (not Bill as I know nothing about him) can trade profitable. You keep drinking the kool-aide and losing money.

But here is the bottom line. Shills have an ulterior motive to come in and post their nonsense. They are selling their BS product. People who point out post like yours are nonsense have no money incentive. That speaks volumes. But I doubt you will get it.

Man, I hate shills.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

Put up your brokerage statements then.

WC Roy: I am done for the day guys… that makes + 22 points positive for my calls this week

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

You have now clearly beyond a shadow of a doubt shown you are nothing but a low life scum shill.

I am more than happy to show my statement to Emmett as I have previously posted, as long as I get a thread where I can state the truth about trading .vs the lies people like you keep spreading.

Is your new plan to just come on here and just say how you are making money hands over fist with no proof.

So which one of the con artist moderators are you. Are you WC Roy?

As far as ranting. I have one rant, who proof of your claims. Your shill post are the mindless rants.

Maybe I should just respond, GOT PROOF!!! is that rant small enough for you to comprehend.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

OMG, Another ranting chapter. What’s this one called . Rob Ber tries to justify himself again?

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

I can have a more intelligent conversation with my cat than with you.

http://screencast.com/t/A4fbu1Jttp

Is there a non shill person out there that I can have a more intelligent conversation with.

I really do not to get a life instead of fighting with TR promoters like this, who show no proof and just talk about a single trade here and there. I would have to imagine that even Paul must realize his post are non sense. But I guess the site is desperate for new suckers as all the member keep quitting. I wonder why that is. I guess they quit because they are just making sooooo much money they do not know what to do with it all.

If you ever find a legit TR that makes money it would have 1000s of members and it would not need shills like you posting complete BS.

Emma
Emma
2 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

That’s the cat I lost! That’s my Lulu!

Alex
Alex
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

Lol Rob…. You are out here giving everyone hell! Don’t you have something better to do with your time? You seem like an awefully bitter man. I hope that someday you won;t be so cold. And to Paul, I have no idea who you are, but if you are a TR and have taken people’s money with false promises, Rob is right and you are scummy. Don’t get me wrong, Rob hates me too even though I have not taken a dime from anyone, but he, on occasion, has merit in his words. Have a good one!

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex

Only bitter against TR operators Alex. But who knows maybe you will be that unicorn

dtchurn
dtchurn
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

I agree RobB after seeing this exchange. “Paul” is a shill, probably one of the moderators themselves or a friend or family. That’s how all these sham tr operate. From what you described, no DOM, vague calls, it’s actually pretty generic newb bait. I’m sure there are thousands who appreciate your posts among others who don’t let these review comment threads turn into investiscamma vendor blogs.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  dtchurn

@dickurn,

So you’ve been in the room?

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

Too many lemons. Anyway Rob you have already admitted you didn’t follow Bills calls,

ROB quote

” In fairness I have not really followed Bill’s night calls”

Best we just leave it at that.

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

As I said on numerous times I never followed Bill’s call, but I did follow and watch both the Roy’s trade. And it was obvious neither of them were trading live or sim. They made nonsense calls and claimed winners no matter what the trade did even when it blew past their stop points. It was obviously a joke and yet you come here and defend it. That screams shill. Plus you come here and start talking about a single trade here and there he made, which is totally meaningless.

Seriously I dare you to take 3 months of Roy’s call and show those brokerage statements. I was there and I have no doubt you will lose your shirt. In fact I have no doubt you have never taken a live trade based on Roy’s call. You are either a shill or so naive to be suckered to think you can make money on those murky calls.

Here are direct quotes from Emmett, which I totally agree with after personally being in that room:

“Bill disagreed with my review. And I simply explained that his moderators were a bunch of clowns, that should not be moderating a trading room. If customers were to follow these moderators, then they would lose…BIG TIME.”

“Bill can trade. The rest of them are useless as traders.”

“I found the complimentary moderators totally useless.”

At best Paul you remind of what a brilliant judge once said:

“victims of con artists sing the praises of their victimizers until they realize they have been fleeced.”

Paul, no point in going back and forth. Take Roy’s trades live for a few months and then come back and report.

As I have said if they could trade profitable then they would not need you or any other shill to come on here and promote with no proof, because instead of losing members they would have a 10 year waiting list.

There is a reason I left the room and they just keep losing subscribers. All the traders during the day time were a joke and no one is making money off their ridiculous trading calls, except in Paul’s head.

Again never followed Bill’s trades as he traded overnight and as I stated he just pops in every once in awhile, so he is very very hard to follow.

You know maybe you should go to Open Range Trader and Sidways, you probably come back here and report how they are making money also.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

It’s a good thing you are not printing these responses. (maybe you are) Cost a fortune in ink

By the way there are people still in the TR who have posted here over 1yr ago. And are not only happy with the trades , but have become very good traders themselves.

Unless you are in the TR yourself and experience the trade calls live you will never know.

I won’t be suckered into anything, But I was always state the truth as I experience it. Whether you believe it or not.

What’s your profession Rob? I guess a burnt out lawyer.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Correction.

I will always state the truth as I experience it.

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Man,

You are a complete idiot.

First as I have said on many occasions I am a full time investor which includes trading.

“I won’t be suckered into anything, ” Suckered into actually making the trades this TR calls.

Give me a break.

“Unless you are in the TR yourself and experience the trade calls live you will never know.”

Seriously can you not even read. I was in the TR and I have commented these clowns did not trade live or sim. Which part of that can you not understand.

It is clear you do not even read my response and just keep promoting non sense.

Oh by the way how many people are in the room. Why do all the members keep quitting except for the shills. Those are the only fake long term members.

I still cannot believe my challenge to you to actual take their trades live; you call suckering you into something.

YOUR ARE A COMPLETE JOKE!!

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

@Rob. Chapter 101

You’re the joke.

Now your extreme paranoid state of mind is totally out of control. OMG. Too much coke,meth or whatever.

So now the people in the TR who post here are false long term members???? LMAO, Perhaps they are aliens, Isis, or most likely the Russians.

Here’s a link where you can get some help.

http://psychcentral.com/disorders/paranoid-personality-disorder-treatment/

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Wow,

It is clear to anyone with an IQ above 70 you are either a shill or completely void of reality. You now are posting nonsense everywhere.

Your post are not even in response to my post, but just rambling nonsense.

I post to warn people of these con artist trading rooms. If you are a shill there is nothing I can do to help you and if you are in fantasy land where you haven even taken a live trade, yet convinced these moderators are your answer, here is all I can say.

Keep wasting your money and time and believing in fantasy. But man when you go from fantasy to actually making a live trade you will be woken up quickly. I have had the same fight with others who then came back and said Rob B you actually were right.

So after you actually take a live trade using all that you learn from this room and lose your shirt. Then come back and say Rob B you were right. On the other hand if you are wildly profitable then show those brokerage statements and I will eat crow. That is as fair as I can get.

But from you other post you do not even read what I post and I am sure you will just rant and rave about something unrelated to anything I am saying.

But until you actually make a live trade, Paul, best of luck in your delusional fantasy land.

Now come on that is about as nice as I can be to Paul.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

Not at all interested in reading your insane unsubstantiated, bias , negative responses.

I’m not the only one here who has pointed outyour pessimistic personality.

Just by the length you go to in your responses points directly to some type of severe personality disorder. You have a need to always be right , you are always trying to pull others down in order to make yourself look and feel better.

Seriously Rob, get some help. Crooked Hillary really nailed it.

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

You do not even read my post. You point out no facts, just promotional nonsense.

Here is the bottom line I my post have been about showing proof of your nonsense claims.

Your post have been about promotional nonsense and just blasted me without making any type of intelligent response to the actual facts I point out.

I think most rational people can decide for themselves.

I can not wait for that apology when you finally if you ever make a live trade and quickly learn making nonsense calls like those moderators make and trading a real account with actual stop loss and etc. is not the same.

You will find out one day.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

I would just be repeating myself to keep replying to you. Definition of insanity.

A Einstein .

doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

This is exactly what you are doing Rob. Get some help.

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Paul,

I actually feel a bit sorry for you. It is obvious your TR is losing money as all its subscribers quit and you are desperate to post nonsense promotional stuff here.

I get it. You can not make your mortgage payment. But get a real job and quit ripping people off. It will make you feel better.

And as long as you post promotional crap with out an ounce of proof to back it up, I will call it out. Maybe I will start calling you Mongo Jr.

You post now have gone from promotional stuff to just silly nonsense about nothing. Quit posting nonsense and promotional BS and I will quit responding.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex

Alex, I never taken anyones money nor do i ever wish too. I’m in this TR for the second month and seeing the trades from Bill and WC Roy, plus explanations is very refreshing, In fact its helped my own trading immensely. Prior to this room I’ve been trying to trade too many products. Now i’m more focused and am totally enjoying it,

If you are in the room, you see the trades hear the explanations. Something the charlatans on this site will never know.

dtchurn
dtchurn
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

I don’t need to be in the room you scum shill “Paul” RobB already described he saw no proof and the same sham pretend trading as typical of most scam rooms. Go back to moderate your cesspool room.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  dtchurn

In that case your opinion mean a big fat ZERO. Never been in the room, but has a huge opinion about it…LMAO..

dtchurn
dtchurn
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

I’ve been around the block in various rooms. I don’t need to see your room and neither anyone else after at least two testimonials of dubious sham trading. My opinion and Rob’s will save many from wasting time and a “lousy” 70 bucks or worse if they heed it.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  dtchurn

@Dikhurn,

This is you in a nutshell.

I know everything about climbing Everest, I tell people how to do it, what not to do, what to do. BUT YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN THERE.

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Paul.

Here is the bottom line. I have have intelligent conversation with who are unaffiliated with a TR. You do not post or respond like someone that is unaffiliated.

For all those who do not want to read all our post, this started when Paul started posting promotional ad for this TR and posted things like WC Roy just had a trade good for 10 ticks.

My first thought was did he have 5 other trades that lost 100 ticks. So I asked for some basic stats. Now I knew the answer as I have been to that room. Is he trading live? Is he even trading Sim or just making calls in general. Is he showing a DOM or Chart Trader or any proof what so ever. Has Paul actually trade any of his trades and made money. I could go on and on.

But instead of responding intelligently providing any stats, he goes on a tirade. That set this whole back and forth.

Paul, no non affiliated individuals gets this upset when asked for proof or some basic stats.

But keep up your nonsense post, they don’t bother me. I get a laugh out of them. And also feel a bit sorry for you.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

Didn’t you read the Einstein post?

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

You are so pathetic. Your rants are not even worth responding to.

Cyn
Cyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Paul, you can safely ignore Rob B. He is just a bitter, negative person who is full of shit because he got swindled a few times by different TR operators.

We know that you are so saintly that you cannot possibly tell a lie. You were even mistaken when you said that you followed the calls but did not make any money, even though Bill did. Of course, you actually did make money. After all, you took the $70 trial, and by your lights, that is all that is needed to succeed at making money trading.

Would you kindly bless us with your infinite trading wisdom, so that we too can ignore that Rob B, who is just full of shit. Next thing we know, Rob B will write that unless he is sitting by the TR operator, and actually pressing the mouse buttons for the TR operator, then the TR operator must be telling lies.

I do not want to take the trial, but as you are such a saint, will you kindly tutor me in the method. I need to buy a Ferrari as soon as possible, and only your kindly teachings can help me.

I wait in trepidation that you may decline to imbue me with a smidgen of your infallible trade wisdom. Please consider my plea for your invaluable help.

Stray Dog
Stray Dog
3 years ago
Reply to  Cyn

Cyn, do I detect a hint of sarcasm in your post?

Cyn
Cyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Stray Dog

No comment!

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Cyn

How could you forget toothless and overweight. Get it right next time to do be proper justice. LOL

http://screencast.com/t/MPmcazXYeUpz

But on a serious note, Cyn, I did not realize Paul spent an entire $17 and a whole month under Trader’s Den Tutelage. Jeez I see the light now. Thank you. Time for me to make my Donald Trump Apology and blame it on Bill Clinton.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

Take the challenge.

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Paul,

I have no problem with a challenge, but my issue is not with your trading, but except for Bill those other moderator’s do not trade live or even sim. They just make non sense trading calls.

Sadly, I can not do a challenge with “Paul’s Rules”. The rules you have set up are not my trading rules.

Based on your previous comments it sounds like you never trade profitable and somehow after 1 month in Bill’s room you think you are now a trading superstar. That is fine. But I have a feeling you are in fantasy land and will not understand the statements I am about to say. Also based on your past post you cannot read more than a tweet worth of a post.

I will try to keep my explanation as short as I can.

I become profitable when I developed and followed my Holy Grails (HGs). As I actually trade live and am profitable I know my stats. I cannot trade by the rules you want to setup. We would have to agree to mutually agreeable rules.

Your first rule violates one of my HGs and that is you cannot be underfunded. Now everyone trades different instruments and everyone risk is different. But a $5,000 account would be way underfunded for my way of trading.

I really know you are not going to be able to comprehend this but I will try and explain anyway.

Trading Rooms want people to believe risk .vs. reward .vs drawdowns are not related. But in real world trading they are all related. I cannot take big draw downs as I would be hesitant to make the next trade, so I take very very low risk. I do not use 500 to 1 leverage or any leverage for that matter and I do not risk anywhere near what the TRs tell you to risk.

On a $5,000 for the way I trade each trade would be so small commissions and ask /bid spread would kill me. I know my stats, so if I had to trade by “Paul’s Rules”, I would stay in cash as that is what my stats say to do. So if you insist on trading by “Paul’s Rules”, this competition becomes real simple I will make no trade and my return will be zero. So my part is known, whether the competition is for 1, 2 or 3 months.

And here is the cool part, if you are trading the nonsense the Roys are teaching, I am 90% sure I will still win the completion as you will lose money. There is always a chance over a short period you might luck out so I give you that 10% chance of winning.

So this goes back to what I said at the beginning; open that account, trade the nonsense they teach for 1 month and show your results.

I have already agree to show Emmett months of my trading results, the way I trade not the way Paul wants me to trade. That is as fair as it gets. I do not know what more your could ask for.

Also being I am 90% confident you will lose money over the short period there is nothing for me to win.

I hope you can intelligent reply, so we can have a conversation instead of your typical nonsense tirade.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

Its the second time I have challenged you to a trade off, and its the second time you’ve made the same excuses and proceed as if you are some big wig trader….

Give me your rules and lets get serious.

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

“big wig trader”

You truly have to be mentally unstable. I have on many occasions, separate from my post to you, talked about my trading and returns.

If anything I have stated I am 180 degrees the opposite of the TR that claim to be big wig traders. I know my trading stats and have reported that if I do 25% return I am doing cartwheels.

Rules. My account is already set up that I trade. I can show my Emmett my brokerage statements. I do not need to setup some $5,000 account.

Will this be the 1st trade you ever taken that you cannot show your brokerage statements over the last 6 months. That would be my rules, which you apparently do not like, so then we have to come up with some other rules that we both agree to.

Here is what I suggest I already got my account and will show my performance over the last 6 months. You start actually making your 1st live trade and in a month you can then show yours for a whole month and I can show mine for 6 or 7 months.

I will add something else anything can happen in a short period. You might win. Shocker, as I am not repeat not a BIG Wig Trader; what a moron statement!!! But my point which you seem to be too dense to get is that the moderators you are promoting (except for Bill) show no evidence they can trade.

BTW you are not posting this from some nut house are you.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

Here is my offer.

I’ll open another live account . Segregate 5k into that account. Trading Tradersden signals and my own. If you put 5k into a live account and you can trade whatever you want.

Am willing to give Emmett 3rd party access to the account.

After 1 ,2 or 3 months, whatever suits you the winner takes the other person’s winnings as a prize.

Thats putting your money where your mouth is.

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

I have already offered to show Emmett my brokerage statement.

For a contest the rules would have to be clearly setup and then the money would have to be under someone else trust. I sure as heck do not trust you to hand me over money.

Sometimes I wonder if you even read my post. I say you can not take the trades the non Bill moderators take and be profitable. I have no clue how you will trade in that account. You might just put it all in CDs. So again contest rules would have to be setup.

But why wait 1 2 or 3 months. I have already offered to show my brokerage statement showing short term trades. So I can show my brokerage statement for the last 6 months containing short term trades and you can do the same.

It is very possible you did better than me. I have stated what my returns are in many post. What I do know is if you took the trades by the Roys you have done nothing but lose money.

So again anything can happen over a short period. But I will show Emmett from May to Today and you can do the same. You very well might have done better than me.

Of course we have to get Emmett to agree to this. And originally I was only willing to show my brokerage statements, if Emmett gave me my own thread so I could post the Truth of trading .vs the Fantasy of trading that you are talking about.

Stray Dog
Stray Dog
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Paul, I think you are missing Rob B’s point. He’s asked for stats on the TradersDen calls and brokerage statements to prove profitability. What you achieve with a mixture of TradersDen calls and your own is irrelevant to proving that TradersDen is a profitable service worth subscribing to.

dtchurn
dtchurn
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

“I know everything about climbing Everest, I tell people how to do it, what not to do, what to do. BUT YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN THERE.”
What a crock. The same thing can be said for 99% of scam vendor sites and rooms that have failed trading and started a room. The few that the CFTC has bothered to investigate show they hadn’t bothered with a live account sometimes for years just as I suspected. Emmett apologized to this vendor in particular, but he has been fooled before. Looks like nothing has changed with the way they do the trading room. Only changed was the site owner showed purported ‘statements’. And now they can’t be accessed from this review page. Maybe the CFTC are investigating! Putting out doctored statements must be some federal crime, lol.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  dtchurn

@dickhurn,

You poor bastard. you have the disease as well.

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

When did common sense become a disease. Oh Yea! In Paul’s fantasy world of trading. I get it now.

dtchurn
dtchurn
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

I think ‘Paul’shittyshill is one of the staff of traders den RobB. I’ve seen his kind of wording before. Another majormoronMongo.Still pushing 70 lousy bucks on others who are reading these comments. They still can get a monthly churn if 200 people get duped to their useless sales webinars for 70 bucks a pop each. That tells you right there ‘Paul’ isn’t some “student” of the room.

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  dtchurn

I have had conversation with many member of TR and unaffiliated members do not post like Paul. Going on about ROY making 10 ticks on that trade and the like. And then when I ask for some actual stats about those moderators he gets all upset, which of course gets me all rawled up.

So to relax it is now time to watch what I am sure will be sweat kind debate. LOL!!!!

dtchurn
dtchurn
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

I hear you RobB. It just goes on again as seen in other forums and investiscamma with bs about how someone just “started trying” a new room. The “statements” don’t show up in the link anymore. Probably worried about the CFTC seeing public doctored ‘statements’ since the two vindications of the proof of sham trading of SoT. I’m sure the shill expects newbs to chalk up 70 bucks and realize it was a sham then quietly leave which is most former members duped by rooms for a profitable monthly churn of no live trading.

Cyn
Cyn
3 years ago
Reply to  dtchurn

His argument is very simple. Pay him $70 before you can comment on his nonsensical fantasy trading.

Am I the only moron who does not get why I have to give him $70, or I am not allowed to comment on his fantasies?

dtchurn
dtchurn
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

You’re the one with the disease thinking sim or sham trading is real. The CFTC have already proved these scam vendors typical stop trading live for years. Anyone else with common sense isn’t going to spend a lousy 70 bucks just for an ad webinar. But then again, I think you’re just a shill, probably one of the moderators in your cesspool room. I expect Emmett will eventually find out he was hoodwinked again by traders den in the future.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  dtchurn

@Dickhurn,

What?

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Man, Paul you prove your self to be lower than whale shit. What else can I say. I cannot wait to see those brokerage statement from you in a month. Somehow I doubt that will ever happen.

How in the world could any rational person disagree with dtchurn. You point out nothing wrong with his statements, but just post constant nonsense.

Go Mongo Jr Paul.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

what?

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Whos on 3rd.

dtchurn
dtchurn
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

@shillyshit’Paul’

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  dtchurn

Make a list of 20 things you dislike and see how many times you can insert them into a conversation over the course of the day. For best results, dislike things you’ve never given yourself a chance to like.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  dtchurn

@ Rob Ber & Dikchurn

http://www.alternet.org/personal-health/14-habits-highly-miserable-people

from Crooked Hillary post.

Good ol Trumpy smashed Clinton today.

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

As usual more fact free post from Silly Paul. You post everything but what the real topic of this thread is.

Still waiting for you to start trading the Trader’s Den method and show how you are hitting it out of the park. Or show any evidence any of those clown moderators (except for Bill who I know nothing about) can trade profitable. But you ever will. Just more nonsense post.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

The worst thing about posting nonsense brings me down to your level.

Thought you could have figured that out, but since it was well over your head I have had to tell you.

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Then stop posting nonsense and intelligent respond to my original questions. What evidence do you have any of the Roys or other moderators trade live or sim. Provide detailed facts instead of avoiding the issue again and again.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

Go and have a big cry. You’re the one making all these statements about statements which implies you are the fraud. And a damaged one at that.

You openly admit you never followed Bill trades. What a clown.

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Silly Silly Paul, on and on with the nonsense and never a drop of proof that the Roys you sited ever traded live. At some point any normal human being would wake up and get it. But then again I forgot you are shill for the room.

You keep posting your nonsense and I will keep asking you for any proof of your claims about this room.

And so it will go on and on.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

This will make you happy, one of the moderators lost 10 ticks on two trades last night. Whoopee.

You should show proof you aren’t posting from some mental asylum.

The funny thing is Emmett has done an extremely positive reviews on Tradersden24. Yet you don’t even believe what Emmett wrote. So are you calling Emmett a shill as well?

I came here to share my experience, positive or negative, Its been positive, what wrong with that???., You just can’t handle anything remotely positive.

No wonder your daughter moved to Melbourne.as far from Florida as she could get..

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

First, when I think you can not be any dumber you even surprise me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melbourne,_Florida

Second, Emmett also stated these moderators except for Bill were clowns.

Third posting one of these clowns lost 10 ticks is the same as you posting they made 10 ticks. 1 trade stats do not make.

I watched these clown trade. It was joke. No chart trader, no DOM, just nonsense trade calls. Nothing ever traded live. Anyone can make nonsense calls. Putting real money with real stop losses and real targets is not the same. Someday you will understand that.

Please go trade a live account for a month using the methods you have now learned after a whole month in the room and then report back.

Seriously how desperate you must be to shill for this room.

Stray Dog
Stray Dog
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

Crikey cobber, I think he means Melbourne, Australia.

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Stray Dog

Yes he did not even know Melbourne was also a city in Florida even though I mentioned she was being effected by Hurricane Mathew. So he must of thought that Hurricane hit Australia also.

As for Paul, I will add regarding Bill the self proclaimed profitable trader. I do question anyone that would hire a bunch of clowns to make trade calls that clearly are not trading live. Also I think anyone would have a hard time following Bill’s trade. He trades ES overnight and is not even on the Mic 95% of the time so just dead silence. As you probably are laying on the floor smoking a joint that might work well for you.

Bottom line if you had come here and posted something along these lines; instead of post like Roy just took a trade for 10 ticks, I would not have called you a shill.

” Tried out Trader’s Den for the trial. None of the day time moderators showed a DOM or Chart Trader or any evidence they traded live or could trade profitable. Bill trades overnight but I watched him and here are the stats I saw”

And then you clearly and logically and intelligently showed those stats, we might be best friends right now.

http://screencast.com/t/K8M2St18BgY

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

I wonder if Emmet could put a sub-forum here for you Rob.

Instead of Trading Schools , it could be called Trading Kindergarten. You may even find someone to wipe your ass and the dribble from your chin.

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

More Silly Post Paul. Everything to misdirect away from the scam Trader’s Den TR is. Should this be day 2 of our competition. How is Trading the Trader’s Den method going for you so far.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

LOL, BILL calls 2 live trade in the room.. Sell 2159- 60 and then sell 2157. Markets falls approx 40 points. Low as of writing 2122

The best thing about Bill most of the time he puts you on the right side of the market.

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Man you will never get it. One trade call means nothing, assume this was even a trade call being he trades overnight.

How about a Real Track Record based on Real Live Trades. Are you ever going to show any proof what so ever.

You keep of shilling away though, I am sure you will sucker someone out of money to make your car payment.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

All I’m doing is relaying my experience in the trade TR, If you can’t handle it Go whinge somewhere else. The whole website is sick of your negativity.

And I know your response will be where are the live broker statements blah blah blah. Where are yours?

WC Roy calls long ES @ 2125 about 1 hour ago, And moves higher 10 points higher.

WCroy is doing that while your are sitting here typing BS, . What a joke.

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

People including me are sick of your constant nonsense shilling. As long as you continue to post BS trade calls with no proof what so ever and refuse to even take a single live trade I will continue to replay to your nonsense shilling.

“And I know your response will be where are the live broker statements blah blah blah. Where are yours?”

What you are a moron or the slowest person on the planet. Genuine Brokerage statements are the only thing that mean anything. Everything else is smoke and mirrors. The fact that you do not see that tells me you will never make a dime trading.

And for the 100th time I am offering to show Emmett my Brokerage Statement for the last 6 months, something virtually none of the TR will do.

So go ahead announce more nonsense calls. Heck I will get you started for tomorrow to make your shilling easy:

“Roy nailed another 20 ticks today. These guys are amazing:”

Sifu
Sifu
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

Rob

I’m a member of Tradersden and have never read so much garbage. Every criticism you have is unfounded. You admit this yourself.

The negativity you portray is not only an indictment upon yourself, but is outright lies. If you can not trade that does not give you the right to insult and disrespect others. If you are unable to show respect and sincerity, then why should others respect you and all your innuendo.

You need to grow up and get a life.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Sifu

Great comment. Robs always going to show the negatives. Even if he won lotto. Major personality flaw he carries.

Stray Dog
Stray Dog
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

When did it become a major personality flaw to point out that genuine proof in the form of brokerage statements etc. from Trading Rooms is a reasonable expectation and minimum standard?

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Stray Dog

I actually like Rob. He’s enlightened me to how positive I actually am.

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

I think you meant to say, “How foolish I was to thinking I could come here and promote without showing a lick of evidence of my claims and get a bunch of suckers to join this room”.

Man Shill Paul is like a weed, never dies.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

I could eat a bowl of alphabet soup and crap out a smarter comeback than what you just said.

Stray Dog
Stray Dog
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

The last retort of the shill, personal insults.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Stray Dog

Bill calls another 10 point trade and Roy 6 point.

Another new person in the room comments that they are +$1000 in the last month on the trial, Not bad for $60 investment

Get Emmett to review Traderden24 statements since he has access.

Stray Dog
Stray Dog
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Well the logical question is why aren’t trader’s den providing authenticated brokerage statements? Why aren’t the subscribers? Why aren’t you?

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Stray Dog

The logical question is. Have you been in this TR?

Why don’t you post your statements? Bills posted his and that should be enough. Even your trainer Emmett commented the results were good and authentic. All you have to do is follow the signals, Something Dogs do very well, Follow. Perhaps you can not follow thats why you have become a Troll.

Stray Dog
Stray Dog
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Geeze Paul, how many different ways can Rob and I say it? If you want to make claims of profitability then prove those claims.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Stray Dog

Can’t you answer a simple question?

Have you been in the room?

You guys should join Stage5 broking and get some lessons from FT71.

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

I am becoming convinced you are not just a shill, but a mindless shill. I have already responded to all the questions you asked above including the fact that I tried this room, so you know the answer already.

Which only leaves the fact you are a shill who just keeps promoting.

GemBow
GemBow
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

“The logical question is. Have you been in this TR?”

No, it isn’t all a question, must less a logical one. Nobody cares who’s been in what room. What’s relevant is real trading results in a real account, not empty claims by you and your ilk.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  GemBow

How can you comment on something you have not experienced. As Emmett said , the results are very good…leave it at that..

I realise that 98% of people trading are burnt out damaged goods who have been scammed more than once. And i support Emmett for his stance on scam traders, however there is also another side which must be mentioned and that is there are some , though few and far between decent people within the trading community, However you won’t find them on this site. I have already offered to share my results , if other people here also open their book on their results.

GemBow
GemBow
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

“How can you comment on something you have not experienced.”

It’s easy to comment on someone who makes (bogus) claims without evidence to support them.

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Scammer Paul,

At it again. Just posting promotional nonsense stuff without a lick of proof. I watched Roy trade and for any 6 point he made in his imaginary world anyone following would lose their shirt if they actual took the trade live.

But you can always prove me wrong. Being you keep posting they are knocking it out of the park again and again, why the hell don’t you actually take a live trade and show some proof of your claims.

You are lucky this is not my site. If it was I would allow 1 maybe if I am nice 2 promotional nonsense post and then you must show proof of your claims or you are BANNED!!!!

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

I love you to Rob, you are just so AWESOME. You make be feel so positive.. Thanks again.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

Bill calls another sell on ES today 2134-35, currently . My entry was 33.75 currently 31.75 sold 1 at 32, hold one at stop 33.25

27/10/16

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Another promotional post brought to you by Scammer Paul. Again where the beef?????? In case you do not understand that Paul, where is any proof what so ever of your claims.

Even a mindless shill must realize calling out a single made up trade is beyond ridiculous. Where is the track record???

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

My track record is in the same place as yours. Hidden from scammers on this sight. As I said. Emmett has access to Bills, so get his.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

WOW, that was a great trade. went all the way to 2123 zone.

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Another nonsense promotional claim by Scammer Paul.

The part that is amazing is how this industry is so corrupt you actually think posting claims with no prove is acceptable. If a mutual fund did this they would be lock up.

As far as your other comments, as I have stated I am more than willing to show my brokerage account live to Emmett and have offered to do so on many occasions.

You on the other hand said you were going to start trading those nonsense trading calls live and yet have not and have not offered to show any proof what so ever.

I cannot believe I have to repeat myself again, but apparently you are hard of reading. I did go to this TR and the moderators I saw, which included the 2 Roys were complete clowns. In what lifetime are they trading live. The trading calls were complete nonsense. I dare you to post a video of their calls showing any evidence they are trading live. What I saw was no DOM, no Chart Trader, no nothing. Just nonsense calls that no matter what price did they claimed it to be a winner. A complete joke and the fact you defend it, speaks volumes that you too are a complete joke.

I can not wait for you next post saying the same BS. Another 12 ticks by Roy and have you been in the room.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

You’re just amazing Rob. We all care about you. Its not that bad.

Maybe have a wee chat with Crooked Hillary. He may be able to help.

Takecare Bubby

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Well, at least it is not another 99% fact free promotional post by Scammer Paul.

BTW I doubt any scammer cares about me or anyone else that calls them out on their scams.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

Thanks mate, thats the nicest thing you have ever said bro.

Pleased you took my advice and had a wee chat with Crooked Hillary. Well done , You are so clever.

Stray Dog
Stray Dog
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

So far from Paul we’ve had numerous unsubstantiated claims of profitable trading, personal insults, displays of ignorance and now we’re witnessing belligerent stupidity but no brokerage statements. Why? Because there’s no profitable trading to back up the claims. If there were you can bet they’re have been produced by now.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

Join the room and you will see plenty of live trades. Oh your can’t because you have NO MONEY. Its all been ripped off by scam rooms, How stupid are you…. But i still like you. :0

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Seriously I could have a smarter conversation with a cock roach.

I am not trying to have a witty comeback. My point is always the same. Get proof of the TR operator or shill like Paul before you invest a dime in their TR.

You just post nonsense on top of nonsense. In fact you post everything but the one thing that matter and that is a single once of proof of your claims. Heck you said you were going to start trading a live account a couple of weeks ago. How is that going. Got any proof of your claims yet? I doubt it.

Stray Dog
Stray Dog
3 years ago
Reply to  Rob B

Well you are dealing with someone who didn’t know that there were two cities called Melbourne. I wonder if he know there are two places called Paris?

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Stray Dog

Least I’m not posting all over internet forums using an alias, Shows how staunch you are..cough cough.

So there is only two cities globally named Melbourne, What about,

Melbourne Derbyshire,, Melbourne Yorkshire, Melbourne Cambridgeshire, Melbourne Arkansa, Melbourne Kentucky, Melbourne Iowa.

Of Course you new all that. You are so clever. Must make your mom so proud. Clever boy, he’s a bone.

Just proves how inept you are.

You need to join the TR. Make some money, it may get you off the streets and away from the other Feral Dogs.

Stray Dog
Stray Dog
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Excellent job Paul you’ve figured out how to use Google search all by yourself. Now when you’ve mastered the print function on your computer and learned how to scan documents we can see your verified trading results.

Rob B
Rob B
3 years ago
Reply to  Sifu

Sifu

What exactly are you a master of? Posting nonsense?

I repeatedly say the same thing over and over again and that is get proof that a TR operator can trade profitably. As I stated I went to this room and everyone of the so called traders I watched were a joke. Remember I did not follow Bill for the reasons given in prior post. Emmett has also stated the same about the other moderators.

I am sure you are a mindless shill, so having an intelligent conversation will be impossible.

But, you say my criticism is unfounded. Can you show exactly which criticism is unfounded and show proof to the contrary. Maybe capture some video of those clowns trading which proves I am wrong or get them to produce any evidence they trade a live account.

I would love to be proven wrong about one of these con artist TR. Sadly so far I have not been.

Please Master Sifu or Paul or just Shill Person, prove me wrong.

And BTW you expect me to show . respect and sincerity to people running a con game. Do you show respect and sincerity to Bernie Madoff. I want the regulators to throw all these con artist in jail.

Sometimes I really wonder if there are people so dumb as Master Sifu that really think the nonsense these moderators show could actually be used to trade a live account profitable and then remember those clown moderators and their joke trading calls and realize they have to be shills.

Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Stray Dog

Can’t believe there’s a Melbourne in Florida. Must be a Florida in Melbourne tooo. LOL

Bob
Bob
4 years ago

Love this guy! His reviews are great. Like he said. There needs to be more honesty with traders. It is hard to find a real trader “guru”. Not someone pretending to trade

Dav
Dav
4 years ago

Those who are still a member of trade room can tell me if RC Roy (RW Roy) is still trading with tradersden24? I heard that he’s very good

Dav
Dav
4 years ago
Reply to  Dav

I meant WC Roy (west Coast).

Brian
4 years ago

Emmett and Rob,

Thanks for your comments. Let me ask this question then – are there ANY strong day trading groups out there that you would unequivocally recommend for someone willing to invest the necessary money and – more importantly – time to master? The last thing I want is to end up another investor/lamb who was fleeced!

Brian

Todd
Todd
4 years ago
Reply to  Brian

Do you read this site Brian? Emmett has several strong reviews and each of those vendors has positives and negatives. It is up to you to read about them, figure out which one might suit you the best, and try them out.

Stray Dog
Stray Dog
4 years ago
Reply to  Brian

Brian, watchhimtrade.com

Rob B
Rob B
4 years ago
Reply to  Brian

Brian,

Sorry for the late response, but just saw your question. I have answered this question in the past, maybe you can search for my past posts. I am hard pressed to name a trading room (TR) I would recommend as the vast majority teach a method that I do not think can be traded profitably. Maybe during the NASDAQ bull market their teaching worked, but not in today’s market. IMO they are just trying to scam underfunded and clueless investors out of their money by teaching pure BS fantasy.

Most TR teach some sort of micro scalping technique using arbitrary profit and stop loss targets. They tell you, you can trade futures with a $5000 account, make 100 ticks a day, have an 80% win rate and a straight up equity curve. Yea Right. The 95% that fail are because they follow that crap and those same 95% surely do not want to hear the way I trade. None of the real profitable traders ever talked about trading that way. In fact they all said cut your losers and let your winners run. I am going to share a little secret with you that I have not posted in the past. The TRs brag about their fantasy 80% win rate. If I were to plot my win rate .vs. profitability it would be an inverse curve. Yea, that is right, with my highest win rate I lose the most money and with my lowest win rate I make the most money. How could that be you ask? Because the only way to have a high win rate is micro scalping; going for 4 ticks and risking 8 or something along those lines. It sounds great, but all you are doing is trading noise and you will just get stopped out again and again. Now when you trade Sim using a lenient fill generator and paying no commission and on top of that leaving out some of your losers, then yes you can trade pure noise profitably. But not in the real world! The fact is you cannot control the market and if the market is not in the mood you aren’t going to be making money; PERIOD!!!!!

But as I have posted time and time again most people rather lose money trading in the fantasy world than make money trading in the real world, because in the real world you need to be properly funded and you are going to have drawdowns.

And when I read someone saying they want to day trade to make extra money to pay some bill, I cringe. That is not how day trading works. It is not a salary. You will have down periods that can last a long time. My suggest to anyone looking for extra money is make a list of 1000 things you can do to make extra money including be a professional gambler, playing the lottery, betting on horses, inventing Cold Nuclear Fusion and then put day trading at the bottom of the list. There is a reason virtually none of these rooms can ever show any proof of profitable trading; they are educators not traders and the 2 have no correlation to each other.

Now having said all that I still try out day trading rooms promising the fantasy, because if there is one out there that can really do it then I want to join. That is the unicorn. I too want to make those insane returns they promise. But I know all there tricks and yet to find one that can do it and seriously doubt it exits.

Sorry wish I had better news. But I am sure some shill will respond and promise the fantasy.

Brian Linsey
4 years ago

Emmett, as someone who has been researching Day Trading Groups, I appreciate your thorough reviews and candor. I have a friend who has profited nicely with Delta Trading Group and, consequently, I was leaning that way. And then – I read your review/commentary on Delta and whoa!, I pulled the pause button in a hurry. I am now actively considering Traders Den 24. In reviewing their site, I see that a trial is now $67 (up from $9 and $47 previously mentioned in this thread) and $147/month thereafter. Does anyone know if it truly has gone up this much, this quickly? For those of you out there who have used TD24, do you believe it is worth the investment? For the record, I am a long-time equities trader who has never day-traded. Would TD24 be a good jumping off point for someone like me who knows virtually nothing about day trading? Thanks All. Brian

Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Emmett Moore

Hi Emmett,

Just following up on my comment from 3/27/16. Any thoughts on this? Many thanks – Brian

Rob B
Rob B
4 years ago
Reply to  Brian Linsey

Brian,

I tried their trial. The traders that were on during the day were a complete joke. You can see my review above. I just went by the name Rob back then. Emmett’s review was based on Bill’s trading. The problem is Bill traded at night so it was not really practical for me so I can not comment. Also it was not like Bill came on and was there, instead he would just hop on when something was happening. So if you trade at night already it might be worth checking out.

Juan
Juan
4 years ago

Thanks Emmet for your reviews. I’m from Spain and I’ve recently discovered your web. It is an excelent resource. I’m going to try TradersDen 24 and, once completed the trial period, i will provide my personal opinion.

BP
BP
4 years ago

I’m doing a trial of this room right now off a webinar he did and so far I am pleasantly surprised. It’s $47 for the month trial now. I really like Harry in the morning and Bill at night. I’m not familiar with the others yet. But so far so good. Strongly considering joining up after the trial if what I’ve seen so far keeps up.

Rich S.
Rich S.
4 years ago

Have read all of the above and now have great concern for Emmett’s lack of response to the numerous negative comments posted above. Will have a problem in the honesty of future reviews unless an in depth review is forthcoming. Being a crusader for honesty bears a large burden and to date this is not apparent from Emmett’s comments regarding Algo. In fact it smells.

Nick
Nick
4 years ago

Looking at the statement I agree that there is a nice profit after 10 months.
My dumb question is: how many contracts is using per trade? or how many contracts rotate during the month?
Also I was checking his website and trial is $67 no $9… Any idea?

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