Delta Trading Group-Update
Several days ago, I posted a review of the Delta Trading Group, and included a brief write up on the owner, Dr. Clifford Vance Cast. My review was not particularly nice. I specifically called out the good Dr. Cast for not really being a doctor and that the PhD thing was pure nonsense, fantasy that he created out of thin air. In addition, I also had some fun with him over his registration as a duly ordained minister of a church. These were just my personal attacks.
Next, I systematically took part his trading room and exposed it for the complete fraud that it is. A sham operation, specifically created to fleece the most naive and vulnerable. Specifically, AM radio listeners.
As expected, the harsh review whipped up a firestorm. And for the next several days, I was pestered, harassed and harangued by the poor fools that were suckered into paying this charlatan $7,800 for his magic indicators. When the Guru is exposed, the mindless flock of sheep that he commands will usually rush to the defense of their beloved Guru/Messiah etc. The raw challenge to their belief system is hard accept, they become quickly agitated, and they even react angrily. Many of these poor people had not only sent their money on the fake doctor and his promises of easy wealth, but they had also emotionally invested themselves into the dreams of financial freedom that the doctor was selling. Many people came onto my blog and were simply shocked at my allegations that Dr. Vance Cast was just another petty conman.
The Truth Is Now Bubbling To The Surface
Like a sewer that is having a hard time keeping the methane gas from bubbling up to the surface, the truth is getting out. And it aint pretty.
Over the past few days, I have received several private emails and phone calls from several parties that got suckered by Delta Trading Group. The stories were all the same in that he does not trade, and that his magic indicators are just stock indicators that come with every indicator package. But what was more troublesome is that these people had been intimidated by Dr Vance’s Goons. Apparently any complaints, or challenges to the legitimacy of this trading Guru will be met with counter threats of violence, and intimidation.
It turns out that Dr. Vance has a few people working for him that have histories of fraud and violence. These folks help to keep people from complaining or stirring up trouble.
Why would Dr. Vance Cast surround himself with shady characters?
Well, it turns out that not only is our Clifford Vance Cast not only a doctor, a pastor, a commercial pilot, an MBA, a top selling author, and a 20 year professional futures trader. But his also a drug trafficker that has spent the better part of the last 20 years in prison. His first stunt, he was convicted of being a methamphetamine dealer in San Antonio, Texas where he served a prison term. You can find his case here, simply download the case files for the last name C. And then search for Clifford Vance Cast. 400 grams of meth. He plead guilty and got sent to state prison. He get out of prison and what does he promptly do? He goes right back into dealing and distributing methamphetamine. Same bullshit that he just got out of prison for.
He second case was even bigger, this time he got a Federal case. They got him on a RICO charge of transporting and dealing methamphetamine’s over state lines. This second case got him 78 months in federal prison. In 2005, he got lucky and their was a case that made it through the Supreme Court named Booker vs. United States. The Booker case removed the mandatory minimums of sentences of related to drug crimes. The document below shows how he used the Booker case to get his 78 month sentence reduced to 57 months.
It appears the he finally got out of prison in 2009. You can see the release from the Bureau Of Prisons Here.
When I look at this, I think to myself, this guy is a complete fuck up. Two convictions for methamphetamine’s. Has basically spent the last 20 years in various prisons. And now, just a few short years later he reemerges as a trading guru. Crazy world.
People Who Live In Glass Houses
They say that people that live in glass houses should not throw stones. How fair am I to criticize, while my own crimes were massively more destructive and manipulative than that of a drug dealer. At least Clifford delivered a product. I literally stole hundreds of millions of dollars, and just like Clifford, I also went to Federal Prison, in fact Clifford and myself were both in prison at the same time. Is it really OK for me to be bashing this guy? Who in the hell am I anyway.
And this brings up a larger point, I know first hand what it is like to get out of prison and have absolutely nothing. To not know where your next meal is coming from, or how you are going to feed your kids, or get a job as middle aged man, or readjust back into society. After spending three years locked up in a federal prison, it is true that I have a soft spot for anyone going through this experience. I might even have a bit of a soft spot for Clifford. In fact, I find it sort of amazing that he put all of this together and has something like 300 people in his trading room. Fascinating. Certainly not a stupid guy. Very clever.
No Reason To Be Afraid
Some of the folks that I spoke with were afraid to use their names because once they discovered that Clifford was actually an ex con, dealing in methamphetamine, they got very fearful. As if Clifford were somehow Walter White from Breaking Bad, or that some meth head bikers would show up and drive circles around their house. Shooting holes in the windows, screaming obscenities, long greasy hair flying all over the place, loud stupid motorcycle with no muffler. You get the picture? Believe me, I spent three years in a federal prison and the place was packed to the rafters (literally) was people just like Clifford. Most are perfectly nice people that got mixed up with drugs and then started dealing to support the habit and earn extra money. Clifford Vance Cast is nobody to be afraid of.
Well that’s it for the follow up. Thanks for reading.
Commercial Pilot? I did a search and found the FAA records locked up. So I did a FOIA search with the FAA and after a few weeks just got the report, his license was Revoked, “CONVICTION FOR VIOLATION OF ANY FEDERAL OR STATE
STATUTE RELATING TO DRUGS IS GROUNDS FOR SPECIFIED
Yeah, not good. Bruce, did you ever buy any of his products or services?
Clifford Vance Cast apparently has a mail-order MBA from the internet (from University of Phoenix) as well as an online Ph.D of Philosophy (from Capella University). I find it most difficult to start off with a $9,600 loss (supposedly discounted from $20,295, and it becomes a loss of $15,000 if you add a year’s membership dues.
The Bexar Correctional Facility must have had a hell of a computer department considering that’s where he spent the 1990s (and that’s not including time spent behind bars in North Carolina in the 2000s) when he was gaining all his trading knowledge and programming “sophisticated trading algorithms”. I have no doubt any “education” was gained behind bars as well. The dude is a complete fraud.
The radio show was so sleazy and patronizing I felt compelled to Google its sponsor. Took awhile to link to Delta and “Dr.” Cast. Will complain to station. Thank you for exposing this sociopath.
I called them out of curiosity a few weeks ago after hearing the usual way-too-long-winded pitch on AM radio one Saturday. The guy in the other end sounded like a used car salesman and the infomercial on the radio gave the product away as a scam as soon as the host made the telltale “work from home” pitch. “I made $15K by clicking my mouse 3 times.” Enough said, except for the criminal element of robbing at the tune of 7K or whatever the figure is.
Yep that guy is a phony. I used to be a member. Place is run by a fly by night operation. It’s all dreams and lollipops. You won’t make any money. You’ll lose it all
“doc has shown me how to make thousands so far”
Show us your statements.
You are the one making self-proclaimed unsubstantiated claims of making thousands via the doc method. You are the one that needs to show proof of your claims. Emmett is making no claims except that the Doc is a scammer and wrote an article about it. It is Dr. Vance that needs to show proof he can trade profitable to back up his claims.
Seriously, do you shills not realize what idiots you sound like with post like this. It is like you hire a roofing company and ask for some proof they have actually done a roof before and they turn to the customer and say, “You show proof you can roof”. That is how stupid your argument is.
Why am I wasting my breath on these shill, instead just pull out the old Stray Dog Card.
Rob, Cap was quoting Donna Shill.
Slight mistake Rob. It seems that “donna” is the one making the shameless shill claim, and “cap” is the one challenging her. No?
Sorry Cap. This is what happens when you get old and read too fast.
I’m the bully? Oh geez, if you only knew the truth.
Regardless, thanks for your comment. And I am truly happy that you are making money. That’s what this is all about. Not me, not ‘doc’, but you. You are important to me. Hope you keep up the good trades. Best wishes.
Not only is Dr. Clifford Vance Cast a convicted felon, he’s also not a real doctor and trader. This guy is only after your money, so he could keep financing his shady activities.
I enjoyed this read. When I learned about the charges through some shady old member, of course I was scared. But after actually meeting the guy and talking about everything under the sun, I see that mistakes do happen. I’ve made plenty of them and I guess i’m not as scared by a prodigal son type story. I’ve made 1500$ this last week using his tactics or software or whatever mix of stuff you wanna call it. I can’t make that money anywhere else that quickly. It s all statistics. The main deal to worry about know matter who you use to learn from is watch how you react to losing a trade and STICK TO YOUR RULES!!!! I love doing it in or outside of Delta Trading Group… And this year may be the year that it becomes my real income. To me thats an amazing thing!!!!!!
Glad its working out for you. The thing with Clifford, he has made a lot of mistakes in his life. But who hasn’t? I am totally curious about his childhood.
He should just be honest about himself. He seems to think that people buy his stuff because he is a “doctor”. Totally wrong. I have over 20 hours of his live recordings and I totally get how he is able to sell this stuff. People buy from him because he is entertaining. He just sits there and talks and talks and entertains. Are his indicators any good? Maybe. And if your getting value and you feel good about it, that’s fine with me!
I will give him this…he doesn’t post a BS track record.
$1500 last week in a new record high hitting market and you are ready to think it will become your real income now. Post back in a few months and let us know how it is going.
It sure the hell wasn’t the week of 7/11 – 7/15 between 0830-1500 CST. By my rough calculations, his “signal” (a simple candlestick pattern with the trend using a 20/90 MA and 4 point gain/3 point stop loss, or, whatever mix you wanna call it) lost 19, won 4. If you were only trading 1 contract you probably weren’t in some of those losers, but, still nowhere near +$1500 for last week. Even if I was off by 50% on my calculations in his favor, it would have been a losing week for the DTG “mix or whatever you wanna call it”.
I have known Doc for decades. He is a great guy filled with more integrity than anyone I know. Most of what is written here is false and filled with dozens of untrue statements and unprovoked personal attacks. Many 1/2 truths. I would list them all, but why waste my time. Emmett called out Delta and then didn’t have the courtesy to respond when offered to sit behind the scenes for a week with all expenses paid. Why would Emmett not take up the offer he says he wants? The company would show him behind the curtain, and Emmett was the one who didn’t respond.
Thanks for reaching out. Contrary to my writing style, I am not looking to make life long enemies. Vance can find me easy at firstname.lastname@example.org. And I am more than willing to redraft a new review. Vance and myself share a common history, and truthfully, I find his humor and style quite entertaining. This industry is full of colorful characters, and he has gotten no better or no worse than everyone else that has gotten a bad review. At the end of the day, its just my opinion and nothing more.
If Vance wants to try my Robot reporting system, then I would be more than happy to report his trading results to the audience on this blog. And write a new review. At the end of the day, I am simply trying to clear out the fakers, and make room for the folks that have something real to offer.
Vance can contact me anytime. I am not so nasty. Would be more than happy to set the record straight.
Emmett, This is Eldon. You know that Vance is a coward and so are his so called goons. If he attempts to attack you give me a call. Stop wasting your time debating with idiots that do not know any better….
Hey its Eldon! When are you going to start writing articles for this blog?
So, you knew him before, during, or after prison? When exactly did he gain those decades of trading experience? Did the FAA give him a waiver for his pilot’s license considering his background? He has integrity? You might want to look up the definition. 1/2 (1/4 is probably still too high) truths are all the guy speaks. I could go on with the less than 1/2 truths, but, why waste my time?
“I have known Doc for decades. He is a great guy filled with more integrity than anyone I know.”
Man, I only have one question where you raised by the Gambino family? That would explain a lot.
@Bob B – ha ha funny one Rob
When asking the phony Dr. Vance about the validity of the article written about Delta and any proof of trading, here was his reply (the badly spelled words are from the Doctor (lol), not me ….
If you have any question give us call directly, you can ask such a rediculous question to Dr Vance himself. Do your own homework instead of that lunacy you read on the Internet by a scammer, like Mr Moore.
If you read the report by TradingSchools.org, you can very easily see that they are a bogus site that does bad reports to capitalize on the millions of dollars others advertise with.
People have reported that TradingSchoos.org is an extortion business. Check out the following link:
Delta trains hundreds of traders with a very clean record. Anyone who believes that one report by a fraudulent company such as tradingschools.org is misinformed. Does it make scene that Delta trains hundreds of people and yet TradingShcools.org is the ONLY raving complaint?
We invite you to come talk to real members and traders, then let me know who you are and lets discuss this. I wonder who the cowards are when I read these ridiculous questions from someone who doesn’t offer a name and no real email addresses. Do you work for Mr Moore?
The fact is this… PUBLICLY, the owner of TradingSchools.org was offered a free one week paid for travel and lodging to trade behind the scenes with Delta to see the audit process. He never answered the offer. Instead he continues to promote the companies he promotes by making up negative lies. Again, who is the coward? Come ask any member of Delta and they will confirm our position.
Think about it for a minute and you will see his made up stories are not credible and he doesn’t know anything about the professional trading scene. TradingSchools.org is not qualified to review any trading schools becasue the owner does not know how to trade. It is that simple.
Ah, I was just shown this email…. In fact, just call be directly instead of wasting my time with such emails.
888-959-4004 Ext 777
I was offered to fly out and see for myself? That’s the first time I have heard of this amazing offer from the “Dr” Vance.
Why bother flying me out? He can just send me a redacted account statement and I will draft him a glowing and positive review. Will eat humble pie and publicly apologize for negative review. It is really that simple. But of course, he will not.
People like Cast and his thieving partner Bobby Fusco are rotten to the core. Did you know that prior to starting this Delta ripoff, they used to be salesman for Avenge Trading. Read my review of Avenge, another ripoff where the owner just got sent to prison for 12 years.
Emmett, No need to eat humble pie, just do the right thing and get the correct facts before posting incorrect facts. Try having as much class as Vance. Vance has stated many times openly that he would fly you to his place of business, put you up in a nice place, and let you behind the scenes for a week. Educate you on what a good trading group is about and let you talk behind the curtain to the members while trading live money during online sessions. How can you turn that generosity down? What do you have to hide, Emmett? Then, if you still believe he is a fraud continue to write your untruths. If you finally get to know him, then get on board with helping people. Can you imaging the education on trading you will receive and then the good you can do with your SEO skills.? Believe me, I have seen Vance teach hundreds of traders and perform nothing less than miracles. Can he help everyone? No. Even Vance states every few days that only about 1/3 of the members will get it within a year. Vance happens to be a great guy, quite undeserving of your unfair comments. In fact, dangerous comments. He will show you all of his credentials as he is always happy to do. You just have to be a man and show up. You may even become great friends if you had his attitude in life. If you would take the time to get to know him, you would know this to be true. He cares more about traders than anyone you could imagine. So does his associates — like the women in the home office. The whole company cares more than you know. He has MANY people you could talk to, but as far as I understand you refuse to communicate with Vance directly. As far as sending you account statements, Vance is not a trade caller or broker. He is an educational forum. And as such there are ethical and legal lines he cannot cross. He has a company that audits his compliance and he is very strict about it. You should let him educate you on the issues, because your assumptions about trading roams is not to be applied across the board. I know this to be true because we use some of the same counsel. As far as your claims against his doctorate, his books, his professional licenses, and other accomplishments, you are just plain wrong. He can back up every everything he is. But there is one thing he can’t prove to you… that is what a great man he is. His generosity and his compassion for helping people is in paralleled. I have lists of people you can ask… how does he prove that? Do the job you say you do and instead of looking for the idiot who refuse to take reprehensibility for their own bad choices and lack of trading discipline, talk to he successes of the Delta Trading group and it’s founder. Go ahead, have fun with it. See if you don’t actually find the holy grail of trading right there in front of your face… or do you continue to badger a good person who has more class in his little finger than most have in their entire body.Vance is the holy grail of trading my friend, go get some. Then spread the word, your efforts will be more than worth it.
“Vance is the holy grail of trading my friend, go get some.” Well I got my laugh for the day. This post is so ridiculous. Just how stupid do you think people reading these post are. Or maybe this post is satire, in which case I say good job. I will just comment on one other thing. It is not illegal to show your brokerage statements, that is just complete BS to avoid showing any proof of profitable trading. In fact if this industry was regulated they would be forced to show their actual results. It is illegal to commit fraud.
By the way, Fusco is not a partner.
He forgot to mention this complaint in his reply:
That is my complaint with the BBB about Delta Trading Group. They offered to give me my money back in exchange for saying the complaint was resolved. l
I emailed BBB saying the DTG gave me a refund but they never responded.
Don’t join, total rip off!!! It’s a such a scam. I joined and regret it! Biggest mistake of my life! I sat for 6months leaning, listening 2 hours a day through his class and failed miserably. I am educated and decided to take a chance with this trading school. Be warned it does not work and it’s just lie after lie…absolutely terrible!!! I wish I read this b4 I spent $10,000 with Delta Trading!
Do you mind if I contact you directly about your experiences? Have been interviewing several, former students of the “Dr”, or whatever he prefers to be called. I would like to post an update from actual students that details everything.
In addition, I have record 22 hours of the “Dr” and transcribed his amazing claims of trading success. Some of the things that this person has said are truly outrageous.
It is important that I have as many former customers, on the record, that I can verify as possible.
Emmett, I am a member of Delta Trading and have much to tell you.
Sure, you can contact me at email@example.com.
What happened in less than a month? You went from a supporter of his system to a non-believer
What? More scam involvement for the Delta Trading Group crew (under “Wrapping Things Up” in the above review)? Yet another log on the fire for these 2 turds.
I have been a member for almost a year. I had no trading experience before I joined. The system works and I am now making between 5 – 10 points a week, some weeks way more. I have seen Dr. Cast take hundreds of trades. He has taken the time to personally helped me with my trading by counseling me over the phone. You can look up his dissertation on risk homeostasis online. Doc really cares about the success of his members, but even if the group is run my be devil himself who cares as long as I am making money!
“but even if the group is run my be devil himself who cares as long as I am making money”….Says a lot about your character, and, I don’t think you’re far off in that statement. So, you paid them $7800 to join and approx. $6000 (basically giving him one week per month of profits) and counting to sit in his chat room? If you have the system down, WHY would you keep paying this charlatan to watch a broadcast of a chart, that, I assume you already have with his simple indicators? Is the koolaid really that great? Maybe you enjoy hearing him lie about his qualifications? Ever ask yourself why he lies about who he really is? Ahh, who cares, this koolaid is great!
Joe I’m at the level now that winning one trade a month easily pays for the monthly fee which is way less than the amount you stated. I continue to pick up new pieces of information and tips from Doc’s teaching and I like interacting with the other expert traders in the chat. I have done a year of back testing the numbers and the trade signal and have full confidence. I love the simplicity of the system. Its not about the trade signal its about risk management and making money! Now your gonna attach my character… Joe S your so full or crap!
The APPROXIMATE amount I stated was taking your “almost a year” times $600 per month. Do the math. I didn’t attack your character, I simply quoted you and associated that with your character. You call me full of crap….Haha. Go research your charlatan, come back and we can discuss full of crap.
Tim, I’m sure that Emmett would be happy to look over your brokerage statements, just as he did with watchhimtrade, B12 and K Capital, and give Dr. Vance’s system another review when you prove how much money you are making using his system. Anything else is just an unsubstantiated claim.
Emmet, Stray Dog, Joe, you know what I never thought I would say this but you guys are right. After being a member for a year I have realized this group way over exaggerates the profitability of their trade signal. There are many weeks and even some months where following the system will loose you money. I still don’t really care about Doc’s shady past but what I do have a problem with, that has taken me a long time to realize is that the trade signal is not consistent enough. And it also seems more expensive than many other groups. I think very very few people in the group are actually consistently making money. Joe sorry for saying you were full of crap. You guys were right I was wrong. Now I will join another group so I can really start making money consistently!
I miss keyed my email address
What happened in less than a month. You went from being a supporter of his system to a non-believer ?
This is my first time seeing this information
Is this for real? My God, I was thinking of joining.
Yes, Art. Its for real. Sometimes real life is zanier than fiction.
Thanks to Superflyjewel I didn’t waste another minute on Delta Trading. I was pulled in through meetup.com. I wrote to meetup, to let them know what I thought of companies like this using their site as a marketing tool. No reply yet. I agree with Jon. It’s false pretext. Thanks again Superflyjewel.
I can’t find them on meetup. Did they get the ax? Their website still has the meetup logo, but, it’s to a different platform. Copyright infringement for using the meetup logo?
Vance Cast and Delta Trading Group is absolutely a filthy pariah that prey upon the low information crowd and the elderly.
I listened to this charlatan’s radio infomercial this past weekend. Wow.. He is so full of crap it’s nauseating. He and the other ass clowns on the radio show posture him as the ‘The Good Dr.’ and a ‘humble man’ gimme a break.. He also claims he worked with financial institutions in the 80’s and 90’s and personally developed their proprietary trading platforms and a bunch of other BS claims.
The FCC really needs to step in and shut this scumbag and Delta Trading Group down based on that deceptive radio infomercial alone.
If you have given this scoundrel $7,000 dispute the charges with your credit card company NOW. You absolutely have a case, especially if you were swayed by his radio program which is riddled with blatant lies about his past.
If people knew ‘Dr. Vance Cast’ obtained his distinguished PHD from a Diploma Barn while serving time in the slammer for slinging meth – how many people would invest $7,000 in ‘The Good Doctor’s’ program?
I’m completely disgusted. Thanks for your research Emmett. I hope more people find your post.
Are you sure he didn’t say he worked with penal institutions in the 80s and 90s (and 2000s)? When I researched this guy, it appears he spent the 90s in a San Antonio prison. Prior to that, he would have graduated high school in 82 and he supposedly did some Army time, so, not a lot of time for him to work with financial institutions in the 80s. Shortly after being released from the first prison stint, he did another in North Carolina for cocaine and marijuana. Most of his BS past is in Emmett’s review, but, I found a lot more that should make anyone considering them, or, members, say WTF!? It seems the members don’t care his background is a complete lie and believe whatever he says. I’d be interested to know if anyone has called him on this in his trading room or if he’s come clean with his members since this review. Is there an honest trading group out there?
Searched meetup groups looking for other traders to network with and Delta showed up. They have meetups listed in several cities. I was contacted and offered 2 free days in a trading room trading the ES from 10:00 to 12:00 est.
In my opinion using meetup.com is a false pretext for this type of operation.
Just spent a few hours watching and listening to the GURU. DR VANCE they bragged about taking a 4 point winning trade that almost stopped all of them out before it went the way the magic indicators told them to place the trade. simple plan/strategy They only place a trade with the trend and with a 3 point stop and a 4 point target. It works 50% of the time thus they remain profitable in the long run. I don’t need to spend thousands of dollars for that type of trading plan.
Well, i just think that is BAD-ASS and cool as $%@* and the guy just sounds cool!
Imagine an ex-con turned futures trader. But then again I DON”T CARE where you come from or where you’ve been…if you can trade good and can SHOW ME THE MONEY it’s all good! I don’t care if the trade room comes live streaming from a prison cell or from on top of the freezer of an ICE CREAM TRUCK
Mandatory minimums for non violent drug offenses are offensive. But ol” Clifford has proven once again that giving him a second chance is wasted on him.
1% of the US population is currently in prison. From personal experience, when I arrived at the prison and began talking with people, I was shocked at the sentences people had received for drug offences. Way out of proportion.
White collar criminals, like myself, whom ripped off people for millions of dollars get comparatively light sentences. Its totally unfair. Not that I am complaining.
The whole fucking machine is slanted so that when guys like V Cast get out of prison, they have a hard time finding employment, many fall back into their old habits and within a few years are right back in the system.
Hey, I sort of enjoyed following this V Cast character from story to story. I have to hand it to him, he sure figured out a way to hustle a bunch of AM radio listeners. Too bad he doesn’t actually trade, if he did trade and I could of proven it, then this would of been an awesome story to write about.