Delta Trading Group-Dr Clifford Vance Cast ***UPDATE***

Delta Trading Group-Update

Several days ago, I posted a review of the Delta Trading Group, and included a brief write up on the owner, Dr. Clifford Vance Cast. My review was not particularly nice. I specifically called out the good Dr. Cast for not really being a doctor and that the PhD thing was pure nonsense, fantasy that he created out of thin air. In addition, I also had some fun with him over his registration as a duly ordained minister of a church. These were just my personal attacks.

Next, I systematically took part his trading room and exposed it for the complete fraud that it is. A sham operation, specifically created to fleece the most naive and vulnerable. Specifically, AM radio listeners.

As expected, the harsh review whipped up a firestorm. And for the next several days, I was pestered, harassed and harangued by the poor fools that were suckered into paying this charlatan $7,800 for his magic indicators. When the Guru is exposed, the mindless flock of sheep that he commands will usually rush to the defense of their beloved Guru/Messiah etc. The raw challenge to their belief system is hard accept, they become quickly agitated, and they even react angrily. Many of these poor people had not only sent their money on the fake doctor and his promises of easy wealth, but they had also emotionally invested themselves into the dreams of financial freedom that the doctor was selling. Many people came onto my blog and were simply shocked at my allegations that Dr. Vance Cast was just another petty conman.

The Truth Is Now Bubbling To The Surface

Like a sewer that is having a hard time keeping the methane gas from bubbling up to the surface, the truth is getting out. And it aint pretty.

Over the past few days, I have received several private emails and phone calls from several parties that got suckered by Delta Trading Group. The stories were all the same in that he does not trade, and that his magic indicators are just stock indicators that come with every indicator package. But what was more troublesome is that these people had been intimidated by Dr Vance’s Goons. Apparently any complaints, or challenges to the legitimacy of this trading Guru will be met with counter threats of violence, and intimidation.

It turns out that Dr. Vance has a few people working for him that have histories of fraud and violence. These folks help to keep people from complaining or stirring up trouble.

Why would Dr. Vance Cast surround himself with shady characters?

Well, it turns out that not only is our Clifford Vance Cast not only a doctor, a pastor, a commercial pilot, an MBA, a top selling author, and a 20 year professional futures trader. But his also a drug trafficker that has spent the better part of the last 20 years in prison. His first stunt, he was convicted of being a methamphetamine dealer in San Antonio, Texas where he served a prison term. You can find his case here, simply download the case files for the last name C. And then search for Clifford Vance Cast. 400 grams of meth. He plead guilty and got sent to state prison. He get out of prison and what does he promptly do? He goes right back into dealing and distributing methamphetamine. Same bullshit that he just got out of prison for.

He second case was even bigger, this time he got a Federal case. They got him on a RICO charge of transporting and dealing methamphetamine’s over state lines. This second case got him 78 months in federal prison. In 2005, he got lucky and their was a case that made it through the Supreme Court named Booker vs. United States. The Booker case removed the mandatory minimums of sentences of related to drug crimes. The document below shows how he used the Booker case to get his 78 month sentence reduced to 57 months.

Dr. Vance Cast Sentencing

It appears the he finally got out of prison in 2009. You can see the release from the Bureau Of Prisons Here.

Delta Trading Group

When I look at this, I think to myself, this guy is a complete fuck up. Two convictions for methamphetamine’s. Has basically spent the last 20 years in various prisons. And now, just a few short years later he reemerges as a trading guru. Crazy world.

People Who Live In Glass Houses

They say that people that live in glass houses should not throw stones. How fair am I to criticize, while my own crimes were massively more destructive and manipulative than that of a drug dealer. At least Clifford delivered a product. I literally stole hundreds of millions of dollars, and just like Clifford, I also went to Federal Prison, in fact Clifford and myself were both in prison at the same time. Is it really OK for me to be bashing this guy? Who in the hell am I anyway.

And this brings up a larger point, I know first hand what it is like to get out of prison and have absolutely nothing. To not know where your next meal is coming from, or how you are going to feed your kids, or get a job as middle aged man, or readjust back into society. After spending three years locked up in a federal prison, it is true that I have a soft spot for anyone going through this experience. I might even have a bit of a soft spot for Clifford. In fact, I find it sort of amazing that he put all of this together and has something like 300 people in his trading room. Fascinating. Certainly not a stupid guy. Very clever.

No Reason To Be Afraid

Some of the folks that I spoke with were afraid to use their names because once they discovered that Clifford was actually an ex con, dealing in methamphetamine, they got very fearful. As if Clifford were somehow Walter White from Breaking Bad, or that some meth head bikers would show up and drive circles around their house. Shooting holes in the windows, screaming obscenities, long greasy hair flying all over the place, loud stupid motorcycle with no muffler. You get the picture? Believe me, I spent three years in a federal prison and the place was packed to the rafters (literally) was people just like Clifford. Most are perfectly nice people that got mixed up with drugs and then started dealing to support the habit and earn extra money. Clifford Vance Cast is nobody to be afraid of.

Well that’s it for the follow up. Thanks for reading.

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Charles
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Not only is Dr. Clifford Vance Cast a convicted felon, he’s also not a real doctor and trader. This guy is only after your money, so he could keep financing his shady activities.

tim b
Guest
I enjoyed this read. When I learned about the charges through some shady old member, of course I was scared. But after actually meeting the guy and talking about everything under the sun, I see that mistakes do happen. I’ve made plenty of them and I guess i’m not as scared by a prodigal son type story. I’ve made 1500$ this last week using his tactics or software or whatever mix of stuff you wanna call it. I can’t make that money anywhere else that quickly. It s all statistics. The main deal to worry about know matter who you… Read more »
Joe
Guest
It sure the hell wasn’t the week of 7/11 – 7/15 between 0830-1500 CST. By my rough calculations, his “signal” (a simple candlestick pattern with the trend using a 20/90 MA and 4 point gain/3 point stop loss, or, whatever mix you wanna call it) lost 19, won 4. If you were only trading 1 contract you probably weren’t in some of those losers, but, still nowhere near +$1500 for last week. Even if I was off by 50% on my calculations in his favor, it would have been a losing week for the DTG “mix or whatever you wanna… Read more »
Rob B
Guest

$1500 last week in a new record high hitting market and you are ready to think it will become your real income now. Post back in a few months and let us know how it is going.

Anthony
Guest
I have known Doc for decades. He is a great guy filled with more integrity than anyone I know. Most of what is written here is false and filled with dozens of untrue statements and unprovoked personal attacks. Many 1/2 truths. I would list them all, but why waste my time. Emmett called out Delta and then didn’t have the courtesy to respond when offered to sit behind the scenes for a week with all expenses paid. Why would Emmett not take up the offer he says he wants? The company would show him behind the curtain, and Emmett was… Read more »
Rob B
Member

“I have known Doc for decades. He is a great guy filled with more integrity than anyone I know.”

Man, I only have one question where you raised by the Gambino family? That would explain a lot.

Stray Dog
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@Bob B – ha ha funny one Rob

I\'m a Doc too
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I\'m a Doc too

So, you knew him before, during, or after prison? When exactly did he gain those decades of trading experience? Did the FAA give him a waiver for his pilot’s license considering his background? He has integrity? You might want to look up the definition. 1/2 (1/4 is probably still too high) truths are all the guy speaks. I could go on with the less than 1/2 truths, but, why waste my time?

Tamiaya
Guest
When asking the phony Dr. Vance about the validity of the article written about Delta and any proof of trading, here was his reply (the badly spelled words are from the Doctor (lol), not me …. Hi, If you have any question give us call directly, you can ask such a rediculous question to Dr Vance himself. Do your own homework instead of that lunacy you read on the Internet by a scammer, like Mr Moore. If you read the report by TradingSchools.org, you can very easily see that they are a bogus site that does bad reports to capitalize… Read more »
Joe
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CD
Guest

That is my complaint with the BBB about Delta Trading Group. They offered to give me my money back in exchange for saying the complaint was resolved. l

I emailed BBB saying the DTG gave me a refund but they never responded.

Sue
Guest

Don’t join, total rip off!!! It’s a such a scam. I joined and regret it! Biggest mistake of my life! I sat for 6months leaning, listening 2 hours a day through his class and failed miserably. I am educated and decided to take a chance with this trading school. Be warned it does not work and it’s just lie after lie…absolutely terrible!!! I wish I read this b4 I spent $10,000 with Delta Trading!

Greg
Guest

Tim

What happened in less than a month? You went from a supporter of his system to a non-believer

Joe S
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Gordon Driver of Avenge Trading Software


What? More scam involvement for the Delta Trading Group crew (under “Wrapping Things Up” in the above review)? Yet another log on the fire for these 2 turds.

Tim
Guest
I have been a member for almost a year. I had no trading experience before I joined. The system works and I am now making between 5 – 10 points a week, some weeks way more. I have seen Dr. Cast take hundreds of trades. He has taken the time to personally helped me with my trading by counseling me over the phone. You can look up his dissertation on risk homeostasis online. Doc really cares about the success of his members, but even if the group is run my be devil himself who cares as long as I am… Read more »
Joe S
Guest
“but even if the group is run my be devil himself who cares as long as I am making money”….Says a lot about your character, and, I don’t think you’re far off in that statement. So, you paid them $7800 to join and approx. $6000 (basically giving him one week per month of profits) and counting to sit in his chat room? If you have the system down, WHY would you keep paying this charlatan to watch a broadcast of a chart, that, I assume you already have with his simple indicators? Is the koolaid really that great? Maybe you… Read more »
Tim
Guest
Joe I’m at the level now that winning one trade a month easily pays for the monthly fee which is way less than the amount you stated. I continue to pick up new pieces of information and tips from Doc’s teaching and I like interacting with the other expert traders in the chat. I have done a year of back testing the numbers and the trade signal and have full confidence. I love the simplicity of the system. Its not about the trade signal its about risk management and making money! Now your gonna attach my character… Joe S your… Read more »
Greg
Guest

Tim

I miss keyed my email address

What happened in less than a month. You went from being a supporter of his system to a non-believer ?

This is my first time seeing this information
Thank you

Greg

Joe S
Guest

The APPROXIMATE amount I stated was taking your “almost a year” times $600 per month. Do the math. I didn’t attack your character, I simply quoted you and associated that with your character. You call me full of crap….Haha. Go research your charlatan, come back and we can discuss full of crap.

Stray Dog
Guest

Tim, I’m sure that Emmett would be happy to look over your brokerage statements, just as he did with watchhimtrade, B12 and K Capital, and give Dr. Vance’s system another review when you prove how much money you are making using his system. Anything else is just an unsubstantiated claim.

Tim
Guest
Emmet, Stray Dog, Joe, you know what I never thought I would say this but you guys are right. After being a member for a year I have realized this group way over exaggerates the profitability of their trade signal. There are many weeks and even some months where following the system will loose you money. I still don’t really care about Doc’s shady past but what I do have a problem with, that has taken me a long time to realize is that the trade signal is not consistent enough. And it also seems more expensive than many other… Read more »
Art Perry
Guest

Is this for real? My God, I was thinking of joining.

Steve
Guest

Thanks to Superflyjewel I didn’t waste another minute on Delta Trading. I was pulled in through meetup.com. I wrote to meetup, to let them know what I thought of companies like this using their site as a marketing tool. No reply yet. I agree with Jon. It’s false pretext. Thanks again Superflyjewel.

Dirk
Guest

I can’t find them on meetup. Did they get the ax? Their website still has the meetup logo, but, it’s to a different platform. Copyright infringement for using the meetup logo?

bryce
Guest
Vance Cast and Delta Trading Group is absolutely a filthy pariah that prey upon the low information crowd and the elderly. I listened to this charlatan’s radio infomercial this past weekend. Wow.. He is so full of crap it’s nauseating. He and the other ass clowns on the radio show posture him as the ‘The Good Dr.’ and a ‘humble man’ gimme a break.. He also claims he worked with financial institutions in the 80’s and 90’s and personally developed their proprietary trading platforms and a bunch of other BS claims. The FCC really needs to step in and shut… Read more »
Joe S
Guest
Are you sure he didn’t say he worked with penal institutions in the 80s and 90s (and 2000s)? When I researched this guy, it appears he spent the 90s in a San Antonio prison. Prior to that, he would have graduated high school in 82 and he supposedly did some Army time, so, not a lot of time for him to work with financial institutions in the 80s. Shortly after being released from the first prison stint, he did another in North Carolina for cocaine and marijuana. Most of his BS past is in Emmett’s review, but, I found a… Read more »
Jon
Guest

Searched meetup groups looking for other traders to network with and Delta showed up. They have meetups listed in several cities. I was contacted and offered 2 free days in a trading room trading the ES from 10:00 to 12:00 est.
In my opinion using meetup.com is a false pretext for this type of operation.

john
Guest

Just spent a few hours watching and listening to the GURU. DR VANCE they bragged about taking a 4 point winning trade that almost stopped all of them out before it went the way the magic indicators told them to place the trade. simple plan/strategy They only place a trade with the trend and with a 3 point stop and a 4 point target. It works 50% of the time thus they remain profitable in the long run. I don’t need to spend thousands of dollars for that type of trading plan.

SMTM
Guest

Well, i just think that is BAD-ASS and cool as $%@* and the guy just sounds cool!
Imagine an ex-con turned futures trader. But then again I DON”T CARE where you come from or where you’ve been…if you can trade good and can SHOW ME THE MONEY it’s all good! I don’t care if the trade room comes live streaming from a prison cell or from on top of the freezer of an ICE CREAM TRUCK

Stray Dog
Guest

Mandatory minimums for non violent drug offenses are offensive. But ol” Clifford has proven once again that giving him a second chance is wasted on him.

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