Here we go again. Yet another Ninja Trader Brokerage/Ecosystem trading vendor making massive claims of trading profits and absolutely zero proof. Since 2004, Patrick Moore has been peddling all manner of trading ridiculousness. Including live trading rooms with NO REPORTED LOSSES and most recently, a ‘trading system’ that supposedly earns $40,000 to $50,000 each and every month, on full autopilot.
Just “set it and forget it,” Ron Popeil would be proud of this $3,995 trading system that supposedly earns massive profits, with maybe one loss per year.
A ridiculous charlatan that is being promoted by Ninja Trader as a Certified Educational Provider.
When questioned about his product, and addressing the legitimate concerns of paying customers, the owner of Trading123 proceeded to describe his customers as “Idiots, fools, morons and pathetic.”
User Review( votes)
Thanks for reading today’s review of Trading123.Net
Trading123.net is an automated, futures trading systems vendor that is currently being promoted by the Ninja Trader Brokerage/Ninja Trader Ecosystem. The owner of Trading123 is Patrick Moore, and he claims that his trading system, “Is more accurate that any human trader out there.”
The cost of the Trading123 automated trading system is $3,995 and offered exclusively on the Ninja Trader trading platform. In order to use the Trading123 automated trading system, a person must also purchase a license for Ninja Trader, at a one-time cost of $999.
Using Archive.org, we can see that Trading123 has been selling various trading products and services since 2004.
Supposed Performance Claims of Trading123.Net
Patrick Moore is making some very aggressive claims regarding the supposed profitability of his automated trading system. For instance, a thorough viewing of the archived web pages reveals several years of supposed trading results–with never a losing month. In fact, during the entire year of supposed trading–never a losing day. Pretty amazing, if true.
The Trading123.net website claims the following supposed performance metrics as factual, and 100% verifiable:
- “CL Autotrader averages $500 a day trading 2 contracts of CL past 2 years”
- “As of 2/12/2016 Autotrader averages $1600 a day trading 2 contracts of CL”
- “CL record one-day trading 2 contracts $5270 in profits on 2/12/16”
- “As of 2/12/16 AutoTrader averages $2000 a day trading 3 contracts of NQ”
- “NQ record one day of trading 2 contracts $4174 on 1/21/16”
- “YM averages $1200 a day trading 3 contracts with Autotrader”
- “YM record one day of trading 3 contracts $7800 on 12/14/15”
Patrick also maintains a YouTube channel at the following address:
The YouTube channel appears to be quite active. Recorded videos began appearing in early 2007. As you can probably already imagine, the videos are screen recordings of supposedly winning day trades. Video after video, the profits seem to roll off the screen in a never ending cascade of glorious profits. In fact, we could not find a single video of a losing trade.
In addition to the YouTube channel of never-ending trading profits, there is also a Twitter feed that can be found at the following address:
TradingSchools.Org began live tracking the Twitter feed on May 1, 2017. We diligently recorded every single “real” trade that Patrick Moore posted on the live Twitter feed. We recorded the following:
- May 2017: $48,830 total profit with only a single losing trade of $280.
- June 1 – June 12: $23,495 with no losing trades.
A truly amazing 99% win rate. If true.
Complaints and Inquires
Since 2015, TradingSchools.Org has received a total of 9 inquiries to review Patrick Moore of Trading123. Of these 9 inquiries, 3 people emailed Trading Schools directly, complaining of “fantasy trades” and the inability of the trading system to execute and match the trades being marketed on the Twitter feed.
The number one complaint is that the trading system is always able to enter and exit trades with no delay or hesitation, on simulated mode. But once the trading system is introduced to a live trading environment, then the trading system is not able to enter and exit trades with relative ease, or comparatively to simulated mode.
This type of complaint is the number one complaint that we hear about trading vendors offering trading systems and trading rooms through the Ninja Trader Ecosystem. That a simulated trading environment is never able to translate onto a real, live trading account.
Speaking with Patrick Moore of Trading123
During the month of May 2017, TradingSchools.Org began a series of outgoing emails in hopes of writing a review and addressing issues that purchasers had described.
All of our official TradingSchools.Org emails were ignored.
However, we sent various emails using an alias. In which we described ourselves and “new” and “looking to learn.” These benign and non-threatening emails were promptly answered. It seems that if a person appears to be a ‘newbie’, then Patrick is more than willing to correspond in hopes of selling his trading system.
On June 12, 2017, I was finally able to get Patrick on the telephone. I politely introduced myself from TradingSchools.Org, (recorded) and that I would be writing a review. Immediately, he became defensive and highly agitated.
I plainly questioned him about his supposed trading performance. Like a caged tiger that had been poked by a stick, he came out angry and fighting. I could feel the heat traveling across the phone line. He said, “who in the hell do you think you are, asking me for my trading performance?” And, “I don’t need to prove anything to anybody.”
When asked if his performance was real and verifiable, he said: “my trades are all live, and real.” When asked if he could provide a redacted account statements, he replied: “You can go fuck yourself.”
When asked to comment about performance discrepancies from purchasers, he replied: “It’s not my fault they are idiots and morons.”
Once Patrick began to describe his paying customers as “fools, idiots, morons, and pathetic”, then I knew I was dealing with a borderline psychopath. He then proceeds to state that NinjaTrader had fully verified his trading performance and that NinjaTrader would never allow a con-artist to market a product on the NinjaTrader Ecosystem.
Finally, he concludes our conversation with a veiled threat that he used to a be a private investigator and that he can find anyone.
Wrapping Things Up
Another day and yet another NinjaTrader promoted trading educator and trading system provider that turns out to be a charlatan. A phony, a fake, and a fraud. A person with no verifiable track record, and little respect for the legitimate concerns of ordinary investors.
This guy is a pathetic, ridiculous con artist being enabled and promoted by NinjaTrader. Shame on Ninja Trader for allowing this to happen.
Thanks for reading. Would love to know your opinion.