Trading With Rayner and Rayner Teo

Rayner Teo: Another phony Forex Trader?
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Summary

Rayner Teo is a popular YouTuber with nearly 190,000 followers. He purports to be a “professional Forex and Futures trader” and wants to teach you his “secrets.”

These supposed secrets are nothing more than debunked and nearly useless indicators like MACD and Stochastics. In fact, he claims to know nearly countless “secrets” and he can “teach you to be a full-time professional trader.” Simply pay the monthly fee to become a member of his “secret inner circle” of newbies, wannabes, and financial illiterate.

Rayner Teo tailors his pitch with a smooth and disarming demeanor. Gently cooing into the microphone how he wants to be your friend, and help you become rich.

Unfortunately, he appears to be a professional charlatan cranking about financial ridiculousness like a snake oil salesman at a carnival.

No verifiable proof of ever trading successfully. No verifiable proof that he even has a trading account. Attempts to verify were met with all manner of evasiveness and excuses.

Avoid this smooth hustler.

 

Pros

  • Very clean marketing
  • Folksy and relatable
  • Disarming and charming

Cons

  • Wolf in sheep’s clothing
  • Claims of success cannot be verified
  • Methods appear to be bunk
  • A smooth swindler

Thanks for reading today’s review of Trading With Rayner

What is Trading With Rayner, and who is Rayner Teo? According to the Trading With Rayner website, a person named Rayner Teo wants to teach you the “secrets” to profitable Forex and Futures trading.

There are two primary products that the consumer may choose: Pro Traders Edge Elite and Pro Traders Edge Premium.

The Pro Traders Edge Elite is a $99 per month package that includes live bi-monthly question and answer sessions, weekly trade alerts, various ‘boot camps’ and ‘trading secrets’, some sort of cheat sheets and access to a book club.

The Pro Traders Edge Premium is a $49 per month package and includes most of the features from ‘Elite.’ However, you will not be admitted into the ‘secret circle’ and these mysterious will only be revealed in the live questions and answers sessions.

According to Rayner, these ‘secret’ sessions are where you will be inducted into this secret society and interact with the investment maestro himself.

Rayner Teo: The Rambo of Singapore

According to Rayner Teo, when he turned 19, he was required to join the Singapore military and serve his country valiantly and ward off all invaders.

The military commanders, upon first seeing all 5 foot one inch of Rayner could immediately recognize this midget sized man as the next Malaysian Rambo. According to Rayner, he was immediately sent to an elite military training academy and taught all manner of fighting techniques.

Some of these included elite hand-to-hand fighting skills, counter-terrorism, hostage remediation, spoon fighting, jungle survival, and mid-flight parachute repair.

The going wasn’t easy for Rayner. After being promoted to a knight and then subsequently awarded the golden cane pole fighting award, he then began to question whether being an elite military fighter and commando was his true calling in life.

He then left the elite commando military unit and wandered the earth in search of life’s meaning. “What should I do with myself?” the 103-pound warrior pondered.

Singapore was not at war and there were no more enemies to defeat. But what should our young warrior do next? For he only knew combat and hand to hand fighting — not exactly the skills required to survive in civil society.

And then, in an epiphany, Rayner discovered the amazing world of Forex trading. He quickly began to realize that his elite commando skills were perfectly suited to the rough and tumble “no prisoners” world of Forex trading.

A short time later, he was recruited by a “prop trading Forex company” and became a professional Forex trader. According to Rayner.

And now, he wants to teach you all of his secret methods and techniques so that you can also become a full-time Forex and Futures trader.

Rayner Teo: Lots of “Secrets”

According to his self-written biography, he is “the most famous trader in Singapore.” In fact, on his YouTube channel, he has an incredible 189,000 subscribers that apparently tune in to learn a bevy of “trading secrets.”

Some of these trading secrets include the following:

  • The secrets of MACD indicators
  • The secrets of moving averages
  • The secrets of stochastics
  • The secrets of candle bars
  • The secrets of price action
  • The secrets of Bollinger bands
  • The most secret trading indicator of all time
  • The secrets of the Golden Cross
  • The secrets of the average true range
  • The secrets of support and resistance
  • The secrets to false breakouts

I can literally go on for hours. Apparently, Rayner Teo knows the secrets to anything and everything related to trading. All of these secrets are revealed as he hand selects a chart and overlays an indicator which magically fits the chart like a thong fits a bikini model. (If only it were that easy)

He then opines on how these seemingly useless indicators reveal the magical key to unlock limitless amounts of wealth, prosperity, and unlimited shrimp cocktail.

Amidst this nearly endless stream of indicator ridiculousness is the deafening quiet of when these worthless indicators make the wrong prediction. Apparently, this is not that important.

Most of the indicators that Rayner gleefully reveals as “secret” indicators have been around for 50 years and have consistently been debunked as statistically insignificant. Don’t believe me? Read Professor David Aronson’s book:

In this book, Professor Aronson systematically exposes every single indicator that Rayner Teo proffers as somehow “secretive” and “the answer to your questions.”

Sorry folks, technical analysis indicators are not predictive. In fact, as Professor Aronson states in his 500-page tomb, “these sorts of investment techniques are the realm of wizards, con artists, fairies and unicorns.”

Does Rayner Teo Even Trade?

Of course, there are some folks that use these sorts of magical techniques to profit. This is undeniable.

And if Rayner Teo can actually verify trading success with actual account statements, then I would be the first to give him a 5-star review.

With this in mind, TradingSchools.Org reached out to Rayner Teo in hopes of verifying his supposed “commando trading techniques” during the month of June 2019.

Over the course of 3 weeks, we went back and forth with Rayner and his “virtual assistant” located in the Philipines. We went back an forth, around and around, up and down with Rayner. We simply wanted to know whether he had undeniable proof, that we could verify, that shows an actual track record.

Unfortunately, it appears that Rayner Teo does not even have a trading account. Instead, the best he could proffer was a series of videos (made in hindsight) where he analyses different markets. This is supposed to be “proof” and we must simply trust him.

It appears that our supposed Malaysian Rambo is little more than a Youtube con artist too lazy to get a real job. Instead, he spends his days creating useless videos that have little to no value, other than enriching Rayner.

Wrapping Things Up

Another day and yet another YouTube conman gets exposed as a charlatan.

There is nothing wrong with using “technical analysis.” However, it must be within the context of actual backtesting.

This backtesting must then be traded live and “forward tested” to authenticate the pattern is valid. There simply is no other way.

The key to success for Rayner Teo is that he is very much down to earth. Very friendly, jovial, and he is entertaining within the context of a YouTube video. However, there are millions of entertaining characters on YouTube in which to waste my time.

Getting financial advice from a kid with no track record on YouTube is about the dumbest thing a person can do. I would recommend avoiding Rayner Teo.

Thanks for reading.

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BigLou
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BigLou

Over the course of 3 weeks, we went back and forth with Rayner and his “virtual assistant” located in the Philipines.

WOW Now we know what happened to your assistant! sharper than a serpent’s tooth my brother LOL

Lwazi
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Lwazi

LOL at YOU

OzBlueTrader
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OzBlueTrader

Pull the Rip-Cord! (5) Thanks for sharing Rayner’s reply video! He makes quite a fool out of the people bagging him out and good on him. He may not be teaching anything new but at least he is teaching people. I’ve learned quite a lot from his videos and glad I’ve watched them! I’ll keep watching them too and add his info to everything else I can to learn more about trading. I’ll take the best parts and apply them with the best parts of everything else I learn too. Your mind is like a parachute and it works best… Read more »

Whistleblower
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Whistleblower
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Exactly. Please look around and see which FX trader provide 5 years of free materials at Youtube? Obviously a biased review.

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Longshot
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Longshot

I remember seeing this guy’s stuff a few years ago. He was like the young Asian version of Michael Covell. At the time, he was all about trend-following as if it were something new. Yes, trend following worked in the 70s and 80s before the masses were using PCs for charts, indicators and simple mechanical systems. Even then there were 50% drawdowns and long losing periods, though. Since about the early 90s trend-following has lost its edge…especially if you’re using common lagging indicators like the MACD, stochastics, etc. Believe me, there are no “secrets” to using them.

Jet
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TradingwithRayner EXPOSED

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Yikes, you could’ve at least given the virtual assistant some good score hah!

But nonetheless, if you are still curious with this “secrets” whether Rayner trades or whether he’s just 5 foot tall, you can enjoy the video here:

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Truth Crusader
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Truth Crusader

I have never seen these packages from Rayner; I only know of him thru Anthony Crudele via Topstep (show which in turn is sponsored by the CME Group; surprise; exchange – so we might as well just stop trading futures then, ‘cos it’s all bulshit.. Right?) Valiantly..funny; it’s standard; mil service .. Actually, it’s special forces ..you get the mission done; or you’re out..nothing more exotic than that .. He came across as down to earth; no flash? You sure the secrets part isn’t just showing you how it works? What’s with the sour grapes. Emmett? .. MACD was developed… Read more »

Longshot
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Longshot

” useless indicators/that are useless on their own, when combined together can actually yield surprising edges ” Sounds like you bought into the hype. The only way to get edges from combining lagging indicators: 1) Backtest 20 million combinations of indicators and settings. You’re statistically sure to get a handful of systems with amazing results…but only for past data. AKA curve-fitting 2) Watch some guru show you how combining the MACD, Fibonacci, tea leaves and Swiss chocolate prices give some amazing “confluence” to “pinpoint precise highs and lows.” Unfortunately, this is again on past data…cherry picked to make it look… Read more »

Truth Crusader
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Truth Crusader

DE Shaw, saying that not me ..

No, it wouldn’t be curve fitting ..The only time and when that is curvefitting is – yes – w/out an underlying reason , fundamental such otherwise, you can be seen as trading human behavior ..

NZD >p if you wanna trade that you should pay attn to milk prices :p ..

Yeah, refer to Shaw for those results, doubtful he’d publish them, but that’s where to go ..Apologies I came bk for smth; I received no notification for this reply ..

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W D M Tharaka Anuradha Gunawardhana

Rayner is good teacher

W D M Tharaka Anuradha Gunawardhana
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W D M Tharaka Anuradha Gunawardhana

Rayner is good teacher

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he is good

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Jet
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Jet

Why is he good? Please elaborate. Has he provided account statements or proof from a 3rd-party auditing service ? Even Chris Capre from 2nd Skies Forex has provided verified Forex Trading results.

Lwaz
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Lwaz

Rayner took the time to bring you idiots down to where you belong. Seems like this website is the scam after all. Get your facts straight before publishing nonsense

Longshot
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Longshot

I don’t need to watch his video. Just provide Rayner’s account statements or proof from a 3rd-party auditing service (preferably 3 years or more) then we’ll talk. I’ll go ahead and tell you, though…his basic indicators and trend-following style doesn’t work in Forex with any consistency. It may work when markets strongly trend (that’s where he can cherry pick results) but not day-in, day-out.

Lwaz
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Lwaz

Well said. Fine, i will talk to Rayner about publishing his results.

Lwaz
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Lwaz

Well said. I will talk to Rayner to publish his results.

Rick Ong
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Rick Ong

Hi Emmett,

First of all I commend you for reviewing such educators. You are doing the trading beginners a huge service by helping them avoid misinformation.

Please also do review Karen Foo and Naveen Prithyani and Kathy Lien.

Someone pointed me to this video of Rayner debunking your allegations. What do you say of it?

Rick Ong
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Rick Ong
Phil
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Phil

Mr Moore
I’m becoming increasingly disappointed with this consumer website.
I don’t see you reply to any of the positive messeges on Raynor. I don’t see you reply to the youtube video that has been posted by two readers, were Rayner defends himself against your review.
I, as I’m sure many readers of this site, have read many, many reviews on here and I’ve noticed, on many occasions, that you rewrite reviews after you obtain new information. What’s stopping you from doing this?
Kind regards

Longshot
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Longshot

I have no problem with Rayner personally, but there’s zero evidence that his trading strategies are profitable. In fact, I can go ahead and tell you that classic lagging indicators and trend-following aren’t consistently profitable in today’s markets. Of course they “work” sometimes, so it’s easy to make videos and “educate” people.

If you really want to watch his free videos, that’s fine. But I wouldn’t pay a dime until he produces a 3rd party verified track record with long-term results.

jordan
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jordan

One of the best free youtube video sets I have ever came across! (5) Hey guys, if anyone wants a perspective of someone who has been watching Rayner’s videos for a while now, I have only one thing to say. I have never seen someone so honest spend so much time teaching us things for free when other places charge. I can promise you that you will benefit more from his free videos than probably most paid training courses on the market. And i’m not kidding. I am in the process of watching all 83 of his free youtube videos.… Read more »

Rob
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Rob

sour grapes (5) The reviewer has admitted that he used to be a lying scumbag who scammed others so I guess if he really did a 180, then he has to be harsh: there are a lot of scammers out there. That said, discretionary trading is very personal and just because someone is very successful in trading doesn’t mean you will be if you copied them EVEN WITH VERIFIED STATEMENTS. All our personalities and risk tolerances are different. Lagging indicators like MACD applied in a vacuum are not going to make you money, but that is the folly of the… Read more »

Loe Jeh
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Loe Jeh

Seriously? (1) Emmett, I’ve been reading your site for a long time and have always appreciated your candor in exposing the seedy underbelly (is it really an underbelly when it seems the majority are like this?) of what passes for trading education out there. Indeed it is your no nonsense approach that sets your words apart from the slick talkers that promise the world and deliver worse than nothing. However, in this particular review you’ve gone a step too far. Yes, criticize the individual’s wild claims, inability or unwillingness to provide records, do your usual thing. That’s what makes your… Read more »

seriously
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seriously

You haven’t shill. You are of Rayner’s camp or himself. The scams always only come out of the woodwork when the review is on them. If you had really followed the site, you would know Emmett’s ribbing of Rayner is no different or worse than average. The “statement” shown in the video could have been nothing else except a sim account view on a platform or server app mockup by a good coder. The regular tradingschools’ readers are not fooled a whit by these shilled mini-review comments as the shills are always newbs to how comments work here. It’s easy… Read more »

theone
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theone

whoever wrote this review is obviously a miserable troll/clown. Rayner is the man and almost all his material is free. I’ve learned a lot from him and i am truly blessed to have found him