School Of Trade and Sideways Markets ***Update***

Thanks for reading today’s update of SchoolOfTrade.com and SidewaysMarkets.com

On November 22, 2015, TradingSchools.Org published a negative review of SchoolOfTrade.com and SidewaysMarkets.com.

The review was direct, concise, biting, and downright nasty. Over a 3-month investigation period, TradingSchools.Org recorded dozens of hours of highly questionable activity within the “live trading room” and interacted with many individuals that had been allegedly scammed by SchoolOfTrade.com and SidewaysMarkets.com.

The response from SchoolOfTrade.com/SidewaysMarkets.com was predictable. The owners of the company claimed extortion by TradingSchools.Org. That they were being threatened with a negative review unless they paid a fee. That they were the victim. And they refused to pay, “out of principle, courage, morality, and a sense of justice.” Some individuals quickly came to their defense and posted highly complimentary comments of SchoolOfTrade/SidewaysMarkets on the TradingSchools.org blog. However, the overwhelming majority of comments came from individuals that had experienced extremely negative results.

Many of the individuals that were interviewed by TradingSchools.Org also took the additional step of registering a complaint with the United States Commodity Futures Trading Commission.

The CFTC responds

It appears that the cluster of complaints from various individuals triggered an official investigation by the CFTC. What the CFTC uncovered was shocking. The following is a list of bullet points from the official investigation:

  • The owners of the company were using fake names. There is no Joseph James, or Meghan James. The real owners of the company are a husband and wife team named Joseph Dufresne and Megan Renkow. Currently residing at 1521 Addison Road, Palos Verdes Estates, Ca 90274.
  • Since 2011, the company has sold at least $2.776 million dollars of trading educational materials and live trading room memberships.
  • June 2016 through April 2016, the company was averaging $60k per month in sales volume.
  • The company claimed that purchasers of the $4,999 educational package could expect to recoup those costs within an average of 16 trading days, by simply following the live trades within the trading room.
  • Joseph Dufresne claimed to have started trading in the year 2000. And after 3 years of successful trading, he opened his first hedge fund in 2003. Claimed to be a “Professional Day Trader” at Vantage Capital Advisors LLC in Los Angeles since 2000.
  • Claimed to have received an award, “Trader of the Year” in 2001; and was named “Top 30 under 30” by Professional Trader Monthly in 2006.

The CFTC discovered that all of Joseph Dufresne and Meghan Minkow’s claims of performance history were fraudulent, the employment history and hedge funds claims were bogus, and no awards were ever issued.

Furthermore, the CFTC discovered that prior to September 2007, Joseph Dufresne had no trading experience whatsoever.

Prior to September 2007, through 1999, that Dufresne worked as a maintenance worker at a country club, worked the front desk at a fitness center, a student worker at Arizona State University, and a salesman at various mortgage companies. In fact, from November 2007 through October 2008, Dufresne was altogether unemployed.

The CFTC also discovered that Dufresne had been incarcerated for 6-months in 2005, a felony conviction for attempting to sell narcotics in Maricopa County, Arizona.

Joseph Dufresne Trading Performance

Joseph Dufresne claimed to be a hugely profitable day trader. The CFTC discovered that Joseph Dufresne was a terrible day trader. In fact, in a review of his trading records, the CFTC discovered that between September 2007 and April 2016, that Joseph Dufresne was a complete and total failure at trading. His total net losses were over $119k.

A deeper review of his trading records revealed that from December 9, 2014, through July 20, 2015, Dufresne had not placed a single live trade. Yet, his daily marketing materials claimed that he was consistently profitable. During the TradingSchools.Org investigation, we discovered that Joseph Dufresne was using the following spreadsheet as proof of supposed performance. Notice the claims of nearly $500k profits for 2014.

The CFTC’s investigation revealed that Dufresne claimed the following, real money results to purchasers of his trading products:

  • 2011, $411,715
  • 2012, $433,861
  • 2013, $491,145
  • 2014, $626,864
  • 2015, $716,104

All of these claims of profits were fraudulent.

Ninjatrader Brokerage/Ecosystem

The big question that readers should be asking, how did this douche-bag double-team, Joseph Dufresne and his wife Megan Renkow pull off this scam? Did they spend massive amounts of money on Google advertising? Did they advertise on AM radio or direct mail? Nope.

The root of SchoolOfTrade.com/SidewaysMarkets.com can be traced back to the earliest promotional efforts of NinjaTrader Brokerage/Ecosystem. In fact, for several years, NinjaTrader Brokerage/Ecosystem was the feature promoter for SchoolOfTrade.com/SidewaysMarkets.com.

Ninjatrader Brokerage/Ecosystem exposed their prospective customers, numbering the thousands, directly into the arms of these scam artists.

Some readers might be thinking to themselves…”Oh, there he goes again, picking on NinjaTrader”. Maybe I am being unfair. But in the past 2+ years of writing reviews of trading educators, the reoccurring theme is that the overwhelming majority of trading scams are originating from the direct promotional efforts of NinjaTrader Broker/Ecosystem. Sorry folks. But that is just the reality.

Until someone starts calling out NinjaTrader Ecosystem/Brokerage, they are going to continue with their terribly irresponsible promotionalal behavior.

Thanks for reading. And for those that like to get into the nitty-gritty details of the CFTC investigation…the following is the court filing:

SchoolOfTrade/SidewaysMarkets

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MasterTrader

November 28, 2017
Federal Court Orders California Residents Joseph Dufresne, Megan Renkow, and Their Companies to Pay More than $4.9 Million in Restitution and a Monetary Penalty for Fraud in Connection with Offering and Selling Futures Trading Strategies and Systems
http://www.cftc.gov/PressRoom/PressReleases/pr7651-17

Mike M
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Emmett, please explain to me how SOT is still making you tube videos with the intention of fleecing new customers. Weren’t they banned from all aspects of selling products related to futures? His carnival act is like a bad infection that keeps reappearing. I would think this violates his settlement with the CFTC. Do they have to give him jail time for him to stop?

Rob B
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Just took a picture of one of those wonderful regulators in action. He will get on that case any minute now.

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Gerald
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Does says right on the website that just informational only not for trade or investment advice.

Mike
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What happened to this guy getting prosecuted. He is still selling his BS to retail traders as of 2/17/17. I mean really!!! I thought that finally one of these charlatans went down. How can a man wake up every morning knowing his goal is to separate people from their hard earned money in a fraudulent manner. He talks nonstop about nonsense. These people don’t have an honest cell in their body. Don’t know how they live with it. I am a true believer in karma and I know his day of reckoning will come whatever that may be.
Mike M
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Emmett, Can you please explain to me as of yesterday this guy has the balls to post on you tube and sell his bs online again? Doesn’t this create new legal issues for these husband and wife scam artists? They have the audacity to thumb their nose at the regulators and peddle their waste as if nothing happened. I really don’t know how this guy lives with himself. He evaluates trades like he knows what he’s talking about. If one doesn’t know any better he may seem knowledgeable with his used car salesman pitch. Please explain to me how he… Read more »
Paul Iglesias
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To Emmet and all others here. My name is Paul Anthony Iglesias. I was a big supporter on this forum of SOT and JJ. I spent $5,600 on his course and ultimately stopped trading with him as my trading results did not materialize. I have read the CFTC complaint and feel totally duped. I stand corrected.

Paul

dtchurn
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One of the room mods of SoT did the “Amico split” and started his own site. “lifetime” fee. http://www.slingshotfutures.com/product/lifetime-membership/ hilarious “about” bio blurb: “I started right where everyone else did, in the gutter. Working jobs all over the place with more W-2’s in my history than I would like to admit. I understand what it is like coming out into this profession with nothing to your name and having to build from scratch. Buying some crazy course for ten’s of thousands of dollars like the ones advertised online just doesn’t cut it for folks with barely that much in their… Read more »
Crooked Hillary
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Crooked Hillary
I noticed some of the links posted here regarding Ninja willing to speak to Emmett so I thought I would contact them, I can bitch about the eco system which I have done or I can also try and remedy the problem so I contacted them. I spoke to John who is the VP of customer service and before speaking to him I was able to confirm that he would be someone who had the authority to do something. Apparently John is a co-founder of Ninja. I told him I have no connection to Emmett but that I did file… Read more »
Pete
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Al Brooks implies his high IQ and exceptional analytyical ability is why he is so consistently profitable unlike 99.999% of futures traders.

Rob B
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Not to mention it is easy to be a self-proclaimed consistently profitable trader when you never show a live trade in your life or any proof of profitable trading. I tell you if I ever hit rock bottom I am going to open up a Scam TR. After watching all these con artist; my room will be the best most over the top ever. Pictures of me growing up dirt poor in the Appalachian Mountains with me having to take a shit in the outhouse. And then I discover day trading and now want to be Mother Teresa and share… Read more »
rtchoke
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Oh Rob!!!!! I’ve followed all your posts since I started watching this forum and agree with almost everything you say, especially about showing brokerage statements (the only real proof). But I have to now draw the line . . . You kicked Kim Kardashian out of bed for eating crackers. Jeez. You must either have been lying too dormant for too long and are some sort of super gigolo. Crackers! Please. Next super model. What then? You’ll kick her out for Tootsie Roll Lollpops!? C’mon man. Life’s too short, take advantage of all those opportunities before it’s too late.
Rob B
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When I am start my TR and making all the money my BS TR says I am making Kim and her 8th wonder booty is just a drop in the bucket.

dtchurn
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To digress away, I never understood what was so sensational about Kimkardashian. She isn’t attractive. Isn’t a model, except supposedly for a standard of lower living. And is a disgrace to armenian-americans.

Rob B
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A picture is worth a 1000 words

http://screencast.com/t/9EyDYYYpl

Tell me that is not the 8th wonder. LOL!

dtchurn
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I visited the zerogravityroom. man was I underwhelmed. It was the same kind of talk I’d seen before ad nauseum for years. if they are not willing to show broker statements, they aren’t trading live. It was nowhere close to trading for a living. But then again you won’t find a trader who makes a living i.e. > 200k a year showing broker statements. They wouldn’t be teaching or running a room. To be positive, it was a pleasant room and may be ok for newbs who want someplace to hang out.

Pink Panther
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Pink Panther
Alex is not called Alex Zobell. His real name is Alex Sielaff. Just type into Google search alexsielaff129_ta61vdz9 and it will bring up part of his Zero Gravity Trading website. Then just google search alexsielaff129 it will then bring up his other website alexwon the dream eater. Look under affiliates and have a laugh. See if you fit the category he is targeting. Then search Alex Sielaff 129 and it will bring up his twitter account Alex @mr pink 129 you will find 3 or 4 postings of his trades probably in sim but no posting of losing trades. All… Read more »
dtchurn
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unbelievable. this is really him? “sample page”
http://www.lexwon.com/sample-page/
http://www.alexwon.com/membership-costs/

dtchurn
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this is the same person? unbelievable. “design plan”
alexwon.com/sample-page/
alexwon.com/membership-costs/

Alex
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Lol. As previously stated, this was for a web design class with business integration. This was my idea! Look at when the site was last edited! Nothing to hide here guys. You all think you “busted” me when all you did was Google my name.

I must say, I underestimated the ability of you all to get so worked up over fairy dust. 🙂

Rob B
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Emmett needs to start giving out awards for the best Journalist Investigators. I nominate you. And man when I was arguing with this 18 year old kid claiming to scalp ES profitable everyone was like give the kid a chance.

But after seeing he is associated with GTR, the biggest con room ever, I think he has had his chances.

http://screencast.com/t/Ot18XnVi

And people wonder why my post about TR are 99% negative. Just once I would like to be wrong about these Day TR con artist.

dtchurn
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You’re right as usual RobB. amazingly it seems like futuresfx.ca is some kind of canadian sister site version of GTR.
futuresfx.ca/services-and-specials.html
just what the ‘industry’ needs, a new protege of simonjousef. and I thought zerogravity was going to ‘change the industry’ too. shame on me.

Pink Panther
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Pink Panther

I have another one for you here. Remember Emmetts review of MES he said the website was owned by Sattam Alsabah.

Well this new website for funding new traders is coming SOON is also owned by him https://oneuptrader.com

http://www.bizapedia.com/trademarks/ONE-UP-TRADER-87091781.html

Pink Panther
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Pink Panther

I have another one for you here. Remember Emmetts review of MES he said the website was owned by Sattam Alsabah. Well this new website for funding traders is coming SOON is also owned by him www dot oneuptrader dot com
www dot bizapedia dot com forward stroke trademarks forward stroke ONE-UP-TRADER dash 87091781 dot html

Alex
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futuresfx.ca is the original site for GTR, not a sister site. GTR was the new and improved version. Futuresfx.ca is still in use though. I am not a protege of Simon’s. Quite the opposite. I quit because we fought too much over business practices as well as other things.

Not only that, I do not use his methods of trading nor will I ever.

Pink Panther
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Pink Panther

Alex you are a CRANK. I am a good detective I am the Pink Panther. Yes I am advertising you as a CRANK. Don’t dig the hole any deeper. Just move on. BYE Mr Sielaff. Go and play with your teddy’s.

Alex
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Lol. “I am a good detective”. You sure are a stellar user of the Internet! Congratulations! I sure am a CRANK! I will go play with my teddy’s!

Pink Panther
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Pink Panther
Hey Alex how is Chris or are you Chris or are you Alex? Or are you Charles IX (anagram) Or are you just using your Son’s name. Just found another website registered at your address called crossfiretrading dot com. Owner is Chris Sielaff. It was registered 1 year ago in the state of Minnesota. Why would anyone call their business the same name as a business in the same State as the one which was prosecuted by the CFTC back in 2009 for running a Ponzi Scheme. Unless Charles Chuck Hays is their dad. I see Chris/Alex you is still… Read more »
Alex
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Lol. This may be the most comical post yet! My father works in an office space for one of the largest healthcare providers in the nation. I, Alex, am not my father. I think it is funny though! Thank you for the laughs. What you mention on FIO is widespread knowledge there? My dad and I share an account. I am the one who regularly posts there. The crossfiretrading was the original idea for a trade room. However, we decided to not follow through on it. Regarding the Charles Chuck Hays, I am not even sure what you are trying… Read more »
Stray Dog
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I don’t see how you can call Alex a CRANK. He isn’t charging anything to be in his room and on the times that I’ve attended it I’ve found it to be an informative experience. I think that if his intention is to help educate people then it would be better to formalize his core teachings into either videos or PDF documents but since it’s not costing anyone anything you can’t complain about that. If I had paid to be in the room then I would expect lessons about core concepts of this approach to trading but once again it’s… Read more »
Alex
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Thank you very much Stray Dog for the honest thoughts. I am not so sure why everyone here is so angry at me when I have done no wrong. The information that they found is not anything bad. I have all of it public as I have nothing to hide. Not only that, the stuff they “found” was not even bad? I am not so sure why the hostility. Anyways, thanks again. I hope that these people will lose the bitter attitude at some point…

dtchurn
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Well to be fair it seems to be a nice room and so far it’s free. Sorry, all I can say that it’s just not for me. I’ve seen too much, done my share of modded indicators and scores of strategies for NT, tried other markets and platforms besides futures, and been to too many rooms and been around bmt close to when it started and been on elite before that. And the old thread on GTR (which for some reason has been deleted by Emmett when it has the real meat of the amico fiasco, not the current review… Read more »
Pink Panther
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Pink Panther

See my reply above to Alex/Chris

Alex
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Then don’t come to the room Rob! If you don’t like it, don’t come! No one is telling you to!

I have gotten absolutely nothing but positive feedback on the room!

Read the other comments on the “breaking news” you all “found”

If we are giving medals away to people that know how to use Google, can I get one? 😉

GemBow
Guest

Will someone mention this in his room today?

Alex
Guest

Go for it! I have literally nothing to hide! Read my other comments. Everything you guys “found” was public information for a reason. Everything was either stated on my website or here on this blog.

So I implore you to say something in the room if you would like me to reiterate the same thing again! 🙂

Rob B
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If you have nothing to hide why in the room do you only show your chat box and members can only chat with you, so they can not scroll through the questions or post chats to everyone and also members do not have the ability to see all members present and PM if they wanted to. Maybe you are posting all test you get, but one certainly could filter using this method. There is one other thing that bothers me. Look you might be for real and trading a live account, but the way you are using chart trader could… Read more »
Stray Dog
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I think your point about setting the gold standard for trading rooms is valid but you could reframe how you talk to Alex about it.

As for the chat setup and display issues, I think that this has more to do with not knowing everything about the software and how to configure the chat than deception. I keep coming back to “if the room is free what’s the scam?”

Rob B
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Maybe no scam. Maybe a scam. For the same reason his journal on BMT might be scam. I have seen it before done by scammer, that does not mean he is doing it even though he was affliated with GTR. So how do they scam. Many ways. People PM them and then they well you trading education on the side. I know as one of them did that to me or in so case they are brokers and try and talk you into using them. There are tons of way to scam with a supposedly free room But I will… Read more »
Rob B
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I thought I would give a perfect example of a Broker giving free chart analysis:

Home Page

You know the old saying nothing is as expensive as when it is free.

Alex
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Thank you Stray Dog for the continued honesty. Rob, I am grateful for the lack of hostility and the benefit of the doubt. I know that there are ways I could try to “scam” people. But listen, if I were to do so, you know how quick it would all fall apart? One person talks and I would be done. Not only that, I have no interest in scamming people. I don’t even have too much interest in making money off of others! As far as the PM thing goes, Big Mike and I have chatted quite a bit to… Read more »
Rob B
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“But listen, if I were to do so, you know how quick it would all fall apart? One person talks and I would be done.” I wish that statement was true in this industry. First before this site there was no place you could even get an honest review and even with tons of people calling warrior trader a complete scam he continues to scam right and left. That statement has nothing to do about you, but the comment. As for Big Mike I know members that have a fantasy journal and then sell trading education as they tried to… Read more »
Alex
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Hey Rob, I figured out the chat box thing! I told you I would do it if we could figure it out! 🙂

Rob B
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Indeed you did. I am pulling for you believe it or not.

Alex
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Thank you very much. I am very grateful for that. You have very good reason to be a cynical person in this industry, but let time show that I am not like the rest. Thanks again, Rob. I hope to see you in the room again! 🙂 (maybe under your real name? ;))

Cyn
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So how does one get into the room?

Alex
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Either go to the website, email me, or go to my journal on FIO!

Alex
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Rob! Thank you so much for the genuine response! I am very happy to respond! 🙂 The chat box. Someone asked something similar before. I honestly am not sure how to get it so the viewers can see the chat! I am being serious. I can not find it in any of the settings to allow the attendees to see the chat. That being said, I am open for receiving help on this! The chat you see on the screen is the real one. I do not think I can edit stuff out of it. If I could, you would… Read more »
Rob B
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Alex, Just saw this post. I am not sure how to respond without being harsh. The point I was making, which I am sure you are aware of, is that if you are trading sim one can set a sim generator to give you fills that you cannot get trading live. In fact I have been to TR that have sim generator that will actually give them positive slippage. It is a great con artist tool to make it look like they are trading. When you use a sim generator that gives you positive slippage and pay no commissions you… Read more »
GemBow
Guest

How did you find “alexsielaff129_ta61vdz9” to begin with?

Pink Panther
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Pink Panther

I just put the full address into a Google search box and clicked on the one that says Hello World then clicked on the uncatergorized section. On that page to the left you will see alexsielaff129_ta61vdz9. The rest was easy.

GemBow
Guest

I put “zerogravitytrading.com” in Google search, but I don’t see anything in the results about Hello World. What am I missing?

Pink Panther
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Pink Panther

Use the http : / / zerogravitytrading dot com

Pink Panther
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Pink Panther

4th Search down

Jewel
Guest

The kid is running a free trade room and you guys are spending this much effort to dig into his past? He did briefly work for Global Trade Room and I think he mentions something about that on his site. Free room is a free room, nobody getting scammed or ripped off for a change.

GemBow
Guest

thanks!

Alex
Guest
That IS my real name! I go by Alex Zobell for marketability reasons. My other website was for a web design class I was in. Look at the website, it is obviously not active. I did work for GTR for a bit. I disagreed with some certain business practices so I left them. That is also my Twitter handle! Thank you for posting it here! Free “advertising”! My screenshots were PnL’s for an entire day, not a single trade. But good try! Your last sentence makes no sense, but I will try to address it. My bio mentions my age… Read more »
Stray Dog
Guest

Good back story there Rob but I think it needs a little work. I like it up till the part where you were taking a shit in the outhouse but then you got bitten on the ass by a copperhead or a black widow spider. While trying to such the poison out of your own ass you discovered the full head but empty wallet karmasutric position and then Jesus and Buddha and gave you the trading holy grail and commanded you to go and do good works.

Pete
Guest

Al Brooks talks about growing up poor as well. AL has woven a very intricate web, which will take much skill to unravel.

Cyn
Guest

Only?!? No Ferrari, Lamborghini and a good ol’ Rolls? No expensive fake wine vintages? No truffles on the barbie?

Pete
Guest

Feigned humility, not bling-bling, is how you win a client’s trust for a trading educator like Al.

Cyn
Guest

And reading in context and being able to recognize hyperbole and irony/sarcasm is how you let people know that you can write and read idiomatic English.

Stray Dog
Guest

Ha ha – clever Cyn and very droll 🙂

Paul
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I also contacted Ninja some time ago. Here is there response. Wed 7/09, Wed 7/09, 6:50 a.m. ## Reply ABOVE THIS LINE to add a note to this request ## Hello ******, and thank you for your note. NinjaTrader has an initial vetting and ongoing audit process for ecosystem directory participants. This includes but is not limited to risk disclaimers required by regulatory bodies, background investigations and general complaint searches. If a vendor passes these checks they receive conditional approval for a listing in our vendor directory similar to other companies that support 3rd party apps or add-ons. Specific to… Read more »
Winter Is Coming
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Winter Is Coming
You see, this for me is where NinjaTrader slip back into the water of the cesspool and are quite happy wallowing in the shit. That shit being Plausible Deniability. I think Emmett is right, all NinjaTrader do is give us some lip service about how they are going to become more diligent within their ecosystem, but it is all bullshit. They may not receive direct compensation, but you can bet your bottom dollar they are compensated in other ways (links to their trading platform download, new traders signing up to their brokerage, advertisement banners etc. etc.). NinjaTrader already claimed over… Read more »
Crooked Hillary
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Crooked Hillary
In my conversation with him that was my initial thought and response. The canned crap that they are not responsible- that they had disclaimers – that people are advised to do their own diligence ad-nausea. The 1st part of our conversation was quite colorful. He really seemed to not have a clue to how much weight people give to Ninja with their recommendations and associations with Ninja. When I provided the numbers who attended one vendors I attended a few years earlier ( over 1000) and the number of sign-ups he seemed quite surprised. Especially since Ninja probably did not… Read more »
Winter Is Coming
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Winter Is Coming
Agreed. As a trading platform NT7 was great. NT8 will be great too once it comes on full stream. My loyalty ends there too. Any vendor associated/promoted by Ninjatrader via the EcoSystem or an “Education Partner” should be regarded as pure fantasy horseshit belony. Why? Because NinjaTrader have been complicit in promoting vendors that have been proven fraudulent and/or have charges laying against them. Who knows how many more are sitting there waiting to be busted. NinjaTrader will quickly remove them once the shit floats to the top and they are exposed and claim all is good, nothing to see… Read more »
Crooked Hillary
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Crooked Hillary

He did say that Trade Station has a similar situation and felt they (Ninja) were being unfairly singled out.

I am not familiar with Trade Station so I do not have
a point on reference. Anyone know?

I know MultiCharts has a few like Roy Kelly but nothing to the extent of the eco system of Ninja.

GemBow
Guest

Reported their site to youtube, including reference to CFTC complaint. Youtube reply: “We’re unable to identify a violation of our Community Guidelines within your recent report to our Safety and Abuse Tool.”

Tom
Guest
99% of this so called industry is an utter and complete scam. These business models are nothing more then late night get rich schemes wrapped around trading. All you need is to think about is this. If they are able to make 10-50K / month trading this system, why even sell it. Just do it, dont tell anyone , and collect your cash. Common sense people … I mean even the clowns on CNBC never show their P&L because the media knows that will destroy their entire network. Last but not least , INDICATORS … Another milk machine for software… Read more »
Rob B
Guest
Amen, It is so nice to respond to a post from someone living in reality as opposed to someone like Paul who is completely delusional. Thank God there are others that get it. It is like Alex in the other thread who is going to teach his method to scalp ES profitable. If he could and that is a big if to put it nicely, the second it was out every hedge fund would be doing it and by default it would no longer work. There is no Mother Teresa out there. All these folks have ulterior motives even if… Read more »
Paul
Guest

Rob ,
Must have been a huge moment when you found this website. Something akin to one finding NIRVANA. Can just imagine you saying to yourself and looking in the mirror. WOW, I finally found a place within the trading fraternity where I fit in.

Rob B
Guest

Another non sense post by Dilution Paul. Now he has to fill up all threads with his nonsense. Paul are you defending Sideways Market TR as this is the topic of this thread. I will keep things simple for your apparent low IQ.

GOT PROOF OF ANY OF YOUR BS CLAIMS??????

Paul
Guest

Dilution is a good word,,,lol

dtchurn
Guest

Paul is another majormongo shill. They must be losing members in his room.

Rob B
Guest

dtdchurn,

That is so funny. I swear I just posted the same thoughts before I even read you post. Great minds think alike.

And if Paul thinks I am bad he better hope he never gets in a fight with the Stray Dog

http://screencast.com/t/eNReygPL2

Crooked Hillary
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Crooked Hillary
Yes- USE YOUR HEAD- and THINK! That is what is in short supply here and everywhere else it seems. People seem not to want to think for themselves so these fraudsters will gladly do that for you- for a fee. Then when the non-thinkers realize they have been deceived what do they do? They whine- Then they start the entire cycle again. and again. Indicators- As you say another illusion- People think the more indicators the higher probability of a trade which total BS. This leads to more emotion being tied to a total arbitrary setup. But people seem to… Read more »
dtchurn
Guest
So far we have seen two kinds of rooms. 1) complete sham rooms that fake spreadsheets and results and do sim or fake trading on screen. They haven’t touched a live account for years as evidenced by the cftc reports in the reports lately, just as I’ve suspected. 2) “breakeven” trading rooms where no way they can make a living from trading but they can put on a show for newbs trading so small, or limited sacrificial account where even just losing a small amount per month is considered realistic breakeven struggling trading. You wont’ ever see a trader who… Read more »
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