MES Capital Group

MES Capital Group
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Summary

A trading firm that purports to fund traders if they pass a “free” trading test. However, the trading “test” has nearly zero disclosure as to what is required to become a funded trader. Company promises to fund trader up to one million dollars, however company refuses to verify if these trading funds actually exist. Company refuses to disclose whether any traders have been funded. Company has zero transparency and no person is willing to claim ownership of company. The company claims tight affiliations with highly dubious trading educators which leads one to assume that the company is nothing more than a lead generating scheme for trading educators and futures brokers. The logical conclusion is this appears to be a “one man band” with a moderately sized trading account that is maybe willing to take a chance on funding a few retail traders. Not a serious prop trading firm with verifiable credentials.

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Thanks for reading today’s review of MES Capital Group.

What is MES Capital Group? MES Capital Group is a boutique prop trading firm that specializes in funding small scale futures traders. Per the company website, they proclaim a very simple, three step process to become a funded trader and receive up to one million dollars.

Step 1: “Send us your personal trading statements (or demo account fills) for 5 days. As you know other companies charge $400 per month for this. With us it’s FREE!”

Step 2: “Trial for 4 weeks (20 days). Maximum 2 contracts in 2 markets at one given time. Starting $15,000. – Make sure your account doesn’t fall below $13,500 – Maximum daily loss -$1,000.”

Step 3: “Get funded between $15,000 to $50,000, with a profit split of 50%. If you have the talent we can increase your funding up to $1,000,000.”

If any of the readers are familiar with the TopStepTrader program, then you can see that this appears to be a direct competitor to the TopStepTrader business model. However, the obvious difference is that TopStepTrader charges several hundred dollars each month in combine or testing fee’s, and MES Capital does not charge a combine or testing fee. To anyone that has been through the TopStepTrader combine or is currently contemplating the TopStepTrader program, then this appears to be a trader’s panacea. In fact, when I first looked at this offer…it appeared too good to be true.

Early Search

The MES Capital Group website came online very recently. In fact, Archive.Org has not yet indexed either the MES Capital Group or the affiliated FuturesProfile websites. A deeper search revealed that both of these websites were registered in September, 2015. The FuturesProfile.com website now forwards to MESCapitalGroup.com. A search of the domain registration reveals that the

Sattam Alsabah

Sattam Alsabah

websites are registered to, and owned by a Kuwaiti named Sattam Alsabah. A search of the name Sattam Alsabah reveals a Kuwaiti national with close ties to the ruling family of Kuwait. I searched through the connecting profiles at LinkedIn which reveals over 200 connections, most to people with the same last name, Al Sabah. Who are these Al Sabah people? The Al Sabah family has ruled Kuwait since 1938, you can read all about the Al Sabah’s here. Sattam Alsabah appears to have graduated from Kogod School of Business in 2001.

Sattam Alsabah appears to be have a business partner named Serif Sisman that also graduated from Kogod University in the year 2000. Both men probably

Serif Sisman

Serif Sisman

schooled together as both proclaim to have studied finance and gotten an MBA from Kogod University in Kuwait.

The address for MES Capital Group is listed at 141 W. Jackson Blvd Suite 2026 Chicago, IL 60604. The phone number is listed as 312-578-0225. A google search of both the address and the phone number reveals that MES Capital is operating out of the same office as Vankar Trading, an introducing futures broker. A search of the NFA website reveals that Vankar Trading (NFA ID: 0312722) has three registered reps: John Karvelas, Mark Lenkowski, and Thierry Rabut. Ownership of the Vankar Trading is listed to both John and Thierry. When a person calls Vankar Trading, Mark Lenkowski usually picks up the phone.

A search of the CFTC website reveals that during 2012-2013, a registered representative of Vankar Trading offered a “magic” trading software program and educational courses on how to use the software. Howevever, the CFTC shut it down and ordered the Vankar Trading representative to pay a penalty of $140,000 on September 29, 2015. Apparently the Vankar Trading representative had made false claims regarding the software and had lied under oath to CFTC auditors.

A search of the NFA website reveals that Vankar Trading violated NFA rules regarding anti money laundering provisions. Vankar Trading was fined a total of $12,500.

Criminal background checks for Sattam Alsabah, Serif Sisman, John Karvelas, Mark Lenkowski, and Thierry Rabut all revealed no federal felonies, however a handful of minor infractions could be found. Nothing out of the ordinary, and nothing related to fraud.

Initially Suspicious

Over the last 90 days, I gave gotten several dozen requests to review MES Capital Group. My initial assessment was that this looks very suspicious. On the surface, the website screams “Free Money for Traders” and/or is a cynical poke at TopStepTrader. Of course, everyone knows that there is no such thing as a free lunch for traders, especially the retail traders, whom are statistically proven to be the worst traders. And so my alarm bells started ringing. Whom would be crazy enough to start handing out money to a someone with only 20 days of trading on a simulator? Sounds like a recipe for financial disaster. Sort of like attempting to find your next wife in a brothel.

The majority of requests to TradingSchools.Org simply wanted to know if the opportunity was real. And whom exactly is offering this opportunity? The MES Capital Group website lists no ownership or company history whatsoever. There are also no state or federal filings for a corporation, limited liability company, or sole proprietor. Of course, anyone can simply throw together a website in an afternoon and start making wonderful promises of funding traders. I have uncovered quite a few that have made bold claims of funding traders, unfortunately they turned out to be scams. Some of those include: NOFT Traders, BonTrade, Nonko, Templeton Trading, and Main Streets America.

The Funded Trader Scam

So exactly how does a funded trader scam work? Its quite simple. The trading educational company offers a “trading education” at an average cost of $5,000. The company then promises that if the person learns all of materials, then the trading educational company will then provide a funded account of up to $50,000 (example) for whomever learns the educational materials and then subsequently passes a trading test. The test is conducted on a simulator. Once the person passes the test on the simulator, then they are granted the $50,000 trading account. However, the fine print clearly states that the person cannot lose more than $1,500 of the funded trader account. So, as you can see, the funded trader account of $50,000 surely sounds impressive…the reality is that the company is only allowing a total risk of $1,500.

The bottom line is that the trading educational company is taking in $5,000 and simply giving back $1,500, if the person can pass the simulator portion of the program. The net is the company makes $3,500 per customer, risk free.

Over the past year, a plethora of websites have popped up proclaiming to offer funding to traders, but only after they complete the several thousand dollar educational program and pass through a “test” on a simulator. To date, I have not had much luck finding legitimate opportunities…only vague promises and outright scams.

Legitimate Funded Trader Program

What does a legitimate funded trader program look like? Over the past year, of all of the funded trader programs that I have reviewed, there are a few things that I needed to verify the legitimacy of the opportunity. The first would be to verify that a substantial fund actually exists, and that requires that a registered broker speaks with me directly and confirms the size of the fund and the amount of traders currently trading the fund. Of all of the retail level programs that I have reviewed, only TopStepTrader could confirm that such accounts exist, and provided me with interviews with actual traders that are actively trading within the fund. TopStepTrader certainly has its own warts, but at least I can see the warts. More on TopStepTrader in a few days, lets stay focused.

Some of you might be thinking, “why should these firms even speak with Emmett Moore at TradingSchools.Org? Its their money, and they can do with it however they please!”. However, look at a company like IFundTraders.Com, which is run by a complete and total fraud by the name of Oliver Velez. He charges $10,000 to “teach” a person to trade, all with the grand carrot of maybe getting a funded trader account. Go ahead and Google “Oliver Velez funded trader scam”, you will find a wave of people that fell for Oliver’s funded trader hustle. Oliver Velez is one of many currently pushing the funded trader scam.

MES Capital Group: How could this be a scam?

For the past two months, I have tried extremely hard to get to the very core of the truth. Most of you reading this are probably thinking, “How could this be a scam?”. Seriously, MES Capital Group are only asking for five days of simulated account statements, and then they ask that a person take a free, 20 day simulator “test”, and if the person passes the simulator test then they get up to one million dollars. Sounds great right? On the surface, a person spends nothing in order to be evaluated, it appears to be a risk free proposition. The company is selling nothing! They have no educational products for sale, they charge nothing for the simulator! This could truly be a free lunch. However, lets take a closer look at how a company like MES Capital Group could possibly pull a scam. Lets go over a scenario.

Suppose that you visit MES Capital Group and you want that one million dollar funded trading account. And so, as per the website you send in 5 days of your trading results from a simulator. Of course, you are not going to send in poor results, and MES Capital Group already knows this. And so, you receive a congratulations from MES Capital Group and you have now made it to Step 2. MES Capital Group now wants you to use their simulator for the next 20 days. The 20 day evaluation period makes absolutely no mention of how much profit will qualify a person for a funded trader account. They are only asking that the account balance of the simulator does not fall below $13,500.

What if a person makes $5,000 on the simulator? Does he receive a guaranteed funded account? And for how much? What if he only makes $1,000? A funded account? There is no benchmark. Nothing substantive. Only a vague promise that perhaps a person could be funded with a minimum of $15k up to $1 million and all profits are split 50/50. This is a massive difference between TopStepTrader and MES Capital Group. With TopStepTrader, if you pass the combine, you get the funded account. With MES Capital Group, you have no clue what they will do, or if they will do anything at all.

What if you fail the MES Capital Group simulated trading test? Does a person get another attempt? Or are they banned for life? And whom would they even appeal too? MES Capital Group has absolutely nobody willing to accept responsiblity for the company. Any ownership listed on the MES Capital Group website? NOPE. Why go through all the trouble of hiding whom actually owns this company? That is, if it even is a company.

Go ahead and call Vankar Trading trading and ask to speak with whomever is in charge of MES Capital Group. The phone number is 312-578-0225. They will answer, but you wont get any answers. After I called Vankar Trading and pestered them for several days, I was transferred to Thierry Rabut and to his credit, he did attempt to answer some of my questions. But in the end, he could tell me nothing. He could only say that the trading account belonged to a wealthy retail client that was willing to take a chance on a few traders. How many traders? How much is the account? Whom is the account holder? On one call he told me several traders received funding, on another he told me 10 traders recieved funding, on yet another he told me 17 had recieved funding. All of these conversation between Thierry and myself were recorded, inconsistent, and quite frankly filled with holes. The truth is that whomever is running MES Capital Group wants absolutely nothing to do with my inquiry and will do everything in their power to avoid me. Why? What could they be hiding?

My Personal Opinion

A lot of people have emailed me and called me asking for a deep scrub of this company. To date, I have received a request from TopStepTrader and several other major players within the industry. In addition to TopStepTrader asking for information, I have also received inquiries from 9 different registered commodity brokers asking for info, and a I have received even more inquiries from retail traders wondering if this company is for real. The TopStepTrader people are mildly curious but consider MES Capital Group nothing more than a minor nuisance from a fringe, shanty player unwilling to accept any scrutiny. The registered commodity brokers consider MES Capital Group to be nothing more than a cheap marketing gimmick that could possibly bring in more retail trading customers, and ultimately generate additional trading commissions for Vankar Trading. What is my own personal opinion?

In my opinion, since MES Capital Group refuses to come into the light and reveal themselves, then I am forced into drawing conclusions from those that they themselves have chosen to closely affiliate themselves with. In short, whom does MES Capital Group consider to be their friends? After running a deep web search, and meticulously following the incoming web links that lead directly to the MES Capital Group website, we have found some very troubling affiliations with companies that many of my readers are all too aware of.

In particular, many TradingSchools.Org readers are very familiar with Global Trade Room, as well as Trade Order Flow. Both of these companies have gotten terrible reviews, and both are prominently featuring MES Capital Group on their websites. What do Global Trade Room and Trade Order Flow have to gain by prominently featuring MES Capital Group? Lets take a moment and think about the possibilities…

In my opinion, what I believe is happening is that MES Capital Group is probably funneling leads out to different trading educators, in exchange for a reciprical fee. How would this actually work? Suppose that a person takes the 20 day “FREE” trading test at MES Capital Group, but does not meet the minimum performance requirements? What happens then? MES Capital Group does not publish what a person must accomplish in order to be granted a funded trading account, and so theoretically a person can try and try and never be approved. However, what if said person receives a message directly from MES Capital Group that states that they have funded the most trading accounts to traders that specifically graduated from the educational programs at Global Trade Room or Trade Order Flow?

Can you now see how this virtuous cycle persists? A person unwittingly stumbles into a situation with MES Capital Group that may or may not provide funding. However, after the person fails the trading test, or does not perform up to the unknowable and unpublished performance metrics…then this person is referred out to a trading educator the MES Capital Group has worked with in the past, and they are more apt to provide funding to the traders that came from these specific educators. One hand washes the other hand.

Are you now starting to realize the possibilities of how a company like MES Capital Group could use the structure of their organization, with its implicit, pseudo guarantees of funding to be nothing more than an elaborate scheme to funnel out leads to trading educators? Of course, all of this is speculation, and right now I can prove nothing. But the smoke is gathering and I am hot on the trail.

Also of interest to me are several random emails that I have received from individuals that supposedly submitted actual account statements covering several months of actual, real time trading. The results were highly impressive and they certainly did not need funding, however they were curious if MES Capital Group would be willing to help them scale out and partake in their undeniably proven successes….unfortunately MES Capital Group did not approve them. Why? These are the hard cold questions that people should be willing to ask. Yet, they are so lost in the mirage of a “free” opportunity, that they cannot see the obvious pitfalls that stand before them.

Wrapping Things Up

In all fairness, I cannot say for sure if MES Capital Group is running a scam or is offering a legitimate opportunity. Everything that I have written is purely my opinion. However, it would of been very easy for me to write a fantastic, 5 star review of MES Capital Group if they would of provided even the most minimal amount of guidance on my questions. The closest that I got to having any official company representative respond to my requests was a series of very curt email exchanges that I had with Julia Harrington of MES Capital Group. In my request for answers to my questions, Julia simply responded in the emails “we are a business that does not need a review”, and “we have no competitors”. To me, her statements seemed brash, naive, disconnected, and embarrassingly unfamiliar with the landscape of the trading industry. Does MES Capital Group have competitors? Sure they do! Let me please help Ms. Harrington. Let me name just a few companies that offer funding to traders… AMR CapitalDE Shaw, Coastal, T3, ProTrade, Quasar, Marquette, Avatar, Globus, the list is so long, wide and deep that I would have to spend another hour listing your competitors Ms Harrington.

To the staff of MES Capital, this is a message specifically for you…I would love to revisit this review with more accurate and updated information. Thus far, I have recieved dozens of email messages, all asking specific questions relating to your company. Refusing to engage with the trading community, coupled with your affiliations with some very shady trading educators only leaves the impression that you are nothing more than a lead source for various trading educators.

Thanks for reading today’s review. And I have a message for the trading community…please send me any and all information on this company. Do you know of any actual funded traders? Did you submit account statements and pass the combine, were you offered a trading account? What were your personal experiences in dealing with this company? Do you know whom actually owns this company?

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Chris C
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Chris C

Just my 2 cents here. MES Capital is no scam, after some hesitation about contacting them, I assumed there is no such thing as a free lunch, but I disagree and took the plunge. I took the trial, which was free, they didn’t specify a profit target as that was part of their selection criteria, I guess they want to see how you handle profits. I was funded by them within the month and traded for a few months. First, I don’t understand how MES can be a scam since I never paid for anything. Isn’t a scam supposed to… Read more »

Rob B
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Rob B

I can understand how TopStep makes money with their combo fees and high failure rate. Those combo fees more than cover the risk they take with a trader. I will say you got an amazing deal there. You did not have to pay 1 cent. I cannot realistically see how MES Capital could stay in business doing this. They are taking full risk on someone that only passed a 4 week trial. Chris they gave you funding just based on 4 week trail? You did not have to show you took any education material from a vendor or anything like… Read more »

Dev
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Dev

Ok I am late to the discussion, landed here while seeking background on MES (Thanks for the article Emmett). I can see how MES might be set up only as a lead generator, but I don’t understand why people are howling about ‘free lunch’. The MES business model makes perfect sense. There is a clear risk limit, and they (at least in theory) select only traders that show some evidence of skill. They probably set up knowing it would take them a year to accumulate enough trader’s stats to assess their risk/reward, but that is typical of the risk in… Read more »

Jon
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Jon

@Barryk. If there is a scam involved then its definitely worth a discussion, or why are you even reading and commenting???

Barry K
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Barry K

@Steve and @JonB. Please stop the longest run on off topic sentence in the Internet. Thank you.

Rob B
Member
Rob B

Barry,

I agree with you, but if a self promoting vendor post a link to his site, I have to comment. As I stated in my post he should have had Emmett review his trading room and thereby create its own post. If there was a way to create separate thread or move that conversation to a separate thread that would be ideal. I guess those are suggestions I would have for Emmett to put in his to do list.

Alex F
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Alex F

I have contacted MES group about 3 weeks ago and was asked to provided results of my trading. I have sent almost 2 month worth of results and offered statements from my life account as well, – never heard back from them. I don’t think this is a good way of doing business. :).

Bill
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Bill

Great Job Emmet. Simon Jousef the arrogant prick has been dealing with this company for a while now. The guy running it appears in Simons Skype room and would constantly drop small breadcrumbs of what he was doing. There were 2 people who claimed they were funded by MES, but they were also the same assclowns that would attack any nay-sayers. There is no doubt in my mind Simon Jousef the arrogant prick is directly involved with these guys to generate membership as you have outlined. Simon Jousef the arrogant prick will do anything to get a signup. When Mortgage… Read more »

rtchoke
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rtchoke

Bill, in your repeated naming of “Simon jousef the arrogant prick”, is “the arrogant prick” his last name? smile

Bill
Guest
Bill

Simon Jousef is an arrogant prick.

I am treating it like Sesame Street.

If repeated enough times, it should roll together on any mention of his name.
One needs to understand, that Simon Jousef and arrogant prick are one in the same …

Plus I know he reads this blog all the time.
Reminding Simon Jousef that he is indeed an arrogant prick brings a smile to my face each time I write it ..

Rob B
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Rob B

Steve, I can read perfectly. Sadly, I did waste my time reading your site. I see nothing there different than what Simon or Bob Amico or any other scam trading room could write. You yourself admit you will show no DOM as it is a scam. I guess making clear calls and showing your brokerage statement would also be a scam. Oh but your site says your trades setups will be verifiable. Verifiable by whom; you, your brother, your mother or maybe even Dean Handley? In a million years I do not trust your verified trades (unless done by a… Read more »

Steve
Guest

Rob thanks for looking I am going to re-vamp some issues to make my point more clear. 1. On the website: I cant find it where it says that Im the head trader or even profitable? Can you provide the link please? 2. Though I think im a good trader.. I did say I dont trade off the DOM.. I can’t trade bid ask that bugger is too fast for me 3. I did say I will trade a house account.. I did say it will be audited by a Pro. Auditor I did say you can see it through… Read more »

Steve
Guest

I just included for more info. Please be aware that finding people that can be vetted is a tough task indeed. Some I do have, but they are not willing to come on due to the community doesnt draw enough people yet.. Cold Hard Fact and I can understand that

1. FAQ
http://www.tradersrevolution.com/public/FAQ.cfm

2. Advisory Team http://www.tradersrevolution.com/public/department55.cfm

3. Pro educators: http://www.tradersrevolution.com/public/Professional_Traders__Educators.cfm

gluck

Rob B
Member
Rob B

You asked for feedback. I gave you feedback. Personally I do not see the value, but others might. You say, “I dont’ understand If I have a bonafide educator/trader in the room and it went through an actual audit.. thats not enough?” Well first you have not even done that and 2nd it depends who the auditor is. GTR was verified by Dean Handley and you can read that post to see how that went for those members who now complain about it being a complete scam. As I have repeatedly said and am saying it again, ask Emmett to… Read more »

Steve
Guest

Rob, thanks I understand your position. No I dont care about praises… not until the website is perfect… and its has more to grow.. Your now profitable?. You only trade an hour or so per day.. thats good and you compare trades with Skype guys all good. I did just add some new pages above. here are the links FAQ and such above 1. If you think Emmett is above an NFA auditor then I dont mind giving him my papers Emmett and I have talked about this, but again my trading is only 5% of what the website is.… Read more »

Rob B
Member
Rob B

I will only comment on one thing your brought up as I have already given my opinion on the other things and it just seems like you can get all the other things you talk about from Big Mike for free or for $100 lifetime membership. You asked about vetting me. You clearly have not read my previous post. I have in previous post stated Emmett should create an Ask the Expert Tab at the top, which will allow posters, who can show Emmett at least 3 months of profitable day trading, to be given essentially a column where they… Read more »

Steve
Guest

Rob, to be honest anybody that Emmett Vetts and I have talked about this with Him. And I mention on my site. What ever is Vetted by Emmett has weight, but not enough for me. 1. Do you think in a court of law they would take Emmetts view over an Auditor/ Accountant and Lawyer all affiliated with the NFA CFTC SEC? So in retrospect I would not personally accept your “Trading” unless its Done my way The legal way. Even all of the Vetted educators on here would have to go through MY WAY its the most honest verafiable… Read more »

rtchoke
Guest
rtchoke

I daytrade for a living. I’m not selling anything. I trade several markets. But I don’t “hang out”. To me, that sounds impossible if you daytrade. It takes all my concentration to be consistent. In fact, my losses usually occur when I haven’t done all the homework or paid attention to my discipline or my system. That takes ALL of my time. How could anybody who actually daytrades profitably “hang out’ any place other than right in front of their charts. Agree with Rob here.

Jon
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Jon

Steve, you really are a true dimwit and you have highlighted the main point in your little pathetic rant number 4. The reason people go into full time education is because they are not very successful as full time traders and need the extra income, so why on earth would someone pay them to learn to trade.
I have no interest in anything that you have to offer, your desperate attempts to get people on board are pathetic and you’re full of shit.

Steve
Guest

they say never throw pearls before the swine. I offered it all to you for Free for you to be the mouth of reason teach us O one of profits. Mr. I want it for free. If the room was free you would still bad mouth it.. why??? cause you cant trade you never could… but im still willing to take your diapers off and let you breathe. You dont need a spanking you need to be cuddled and loved… 1. When Experts have said the site is a great idea 2. When Emmett though it was good 3. When… Read more »

Jon
Guest
Jon

Hahaha there you go again on a pathetic rant. Where did I say that I was interested in your shitty website. You asked me for advice and I said ”If anyone is interested ” in a service then it should be given for a month free, like most do. Rob B has given a very clear reason WHY profitable traders do NOT want to give out signals and I totally agree. You don’t know fuck all about trading you are wet between the ears. Your pathetic idea is just you wanting to piggyback off experienced traders without doing the necessary… Read more »

Christian
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Christian

This one with “coaches don’t trade but can help you getting an edge” is funny for me.
If he can’t trade how he can prove he is a deal ?
Joe Ross is 78 years old and he’s still trading ..since he was 17.
If they don’t trade maybe they can share their experience as an ice truck driver as Ms. Roussos ?

Jon
Guest
Jon

Yes Christian, that is a classic.
Id be surprised if Steve the dimwit can try and justify saying that.

steve
Guest

You guys are trolls

a trading coach like http://www.jodymichael.com they assist traders. She was featured on floored the docu-movie.
Ok I have expended my time here..

Emmett, this truely is the land of the lepers and misfit toys. The 2 buck chuck wine drinkers. This is Emmetts Meth Clinic. The crack smokers never make a buck sore losers… I can’t afford a dollar a day gimmie… Free trades type of puckys.. lint filled pocket nobodies collecting welfare checks… and bumming 5 lbs of cheese from the government…

Ciao
last call-out

Jon
Guest
Jon

Bye Bye Stevie Dimwit and good luck on your pathetic crusade to ”Revolutionize” the trading world. your gonna need it. hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

Christian
Guest
Christian

Yep man, we are trolls but only for kind of you who are beggars.
I’m sure you are the new Van Tharp but still misunderstood.

Rob B
Member
Rob B

Alright Steve I am going to try and help you out here and give you my honest opinion. It seems like this endeavor of yours is more at the brainstorming stage. It is unclear what anyone gets for $39 a month. Right now to me from your responses, it sounds like for $39 a month you will eventually get discounts to other add on services. I am not sure why I would pay $39 a month for that. So my 1st suggestion is you need to clearly state what I get for $39 because so far I see nothing that… Read more »

Steve
Guest

Hello Rob, Yes you are correct it is the infancy stage as I have mentioned I think here and numerous emails. I truely do want to help others. I do mention on the site that things arnet stable and a proper footing is bassically a distance away, but it’s getting there! In my opinion $1 dollar a day is a steal… Heres what I want to accomplish and you guys tell me what you would like. 1. Im working on a freebie trading room for anybody Also a Discussion board free 2. Im working on Vetted educator/Traders.. tough as you… Read more »

Jon
Guest
Jon

As Simon Yousef from the GTR is endorsing them you can bet your life its as fraudulent as him.

Steve
Guest

Hey Guys, I have no clue how honest this company is. Some say they have been funded, but great job Emmett. I tried contacting these people to help fund other traders, but I never have gotten an email back. For those that want to learn, earn, share and create a community. Drop me an email. give some feedback positive or negative. I dont want to make it look like an ad.. I did ask Emmett if it was Ok to post… and he gave his blessings. Go to http://www.tradersrevolution.com to learn more. Be a moderator, Trade Live. so much more..

Rob B
Member
Rob B

For God’s Sake Emmett why are you allowing vendors to post links who are selling subscription to a trading room that says anyone can be a room operator. And I love the fact they have so much confidence their product there is a no money back guaranty. It makes it look like you are endorsing it. This should be taken down immediately as far as I am concerned. One thing BMT does right is not allow self promotion by vendors. They are Banned!!! If you product is so damn good give a no condition 1 month trial so people can… Read more »

Steve
Guest

Rob, I don’t know if you actually have read the whole site. I’m not so much into self promotion, but Emmett and I have chatted a few times and emailed. The site is very new…. as for freebies the room is open 24 hours a day and that is less than a penny per hour which is actually one of the lowest priced VOIP softwares featured. If you just emailed me as I mentioned… I would have responded with something up your alley..and I did not ask anyone to purchase, but to give feed back…. 1. It’s a trading community… Read more »

Jon
Guest
Jon

Steve, You are selling a product… a monthly fucking membership!
Its a shitty looking website and you are completely insane and deluded if you think you can get any of what you claim to be ”Cool”
As I have stated before that any successful pro trader would NOT waste there time trying to educate people as they are to busy trading, unless they were getting bucket loads of cash.
Anyone participating in your site would just be trying to sell some shit, just as you are.
You cant seriously believe anyone would buy that shit do you??

Steve
Guest

lJon ol funny stuff. Hopefully I can do better on the website to impress you. If there are no pro educators why do you hang out here Jon? I dont mind the harsh attacks as I invited them. Maybe my message isnt clear enough. May I ask you some questions? 1. Where do you hang out during the trading day? Some 200 or so people pay that fous guy $200 mth cause they have nowhere to go. 2. Should I be offering for free? 3. Pro traders Help they actually do. Most pros work 2-3 times per week. 4. If… Read more »

Jon
Guest
Jon

I’m here in my spare time to stop people making the same mistakes I have done in the past in buying into shitty trade rooms and services that don’t work. I think Big mikes is full of shit and 99.9 people there cant trade but are looking for knowledge, that’s why they are there, and its free. I trade futures fx for a living after many years of struggling and failing, 2-3 trades a week what you state laughable. You need to be more realistic with the info you claim to have on your website and give a free trial… Read more »

Steve
Guest

Ding Ding Jon, since you have claimed you trade Forex for a living and want to stop people from screwing up. 1. Your more than welcome to Moderate for FREE at Traders Revolution and become vetted. A successful account by any means should help others no? 2. Help me create the best platform to stop scammers. 3. If you dont want to be vetted. why not go into a live platform and assist traders LIVE where it really counts. 4. Sorry, Real traders only trade 2-3 times per week/ more so on positions. Day to day trading has over time… Read more »

LG
Guest
LG

Steve, if I were you I would talk less and listen more, some of the things you’re saying tells me you have very little time in this field and are trying to use another angle to make make money ( good guy version), the gig you’re proposing would be no different then any other room, everyone who gets into the industry is walking into a dark room hoping that someone will assist them with the exit. Unfortunately they just get walked over to a deep pit, what happens next is usually not good for most. Con man and swindlers have… Read more »

Steve
Guest

Product vs. Service
Product = tangible.. ie you can put your hands on it ie a book
Service = intangible.. ie you can’t put your hands on it ie trading labor for cash ie raking leaves

So http://www.tradersrevolution.com is a service. I am at your service to provide much needed LIVE trading to a community with education that may include products from vendors

Ciao
Steve

Jon
Guest
Jon

I have no clue what the fuck you are on about???

Steve
Guest

Jon, I dont know how clear I can be…
You want to help traders… then help.. Im offering you a FREE room to moderate. You said your profitable. So I would like to Vett you if your up for it. I have an Auditor. I dont look at accounts he does. He charges a pretty penny. but its on me i’ll absorb the cost to get you to really help traders…. What do you say???

kenneth
Guest
kenneth

You asked for feedback:

I have no idea of what service you provide, but the website looks horrible and something from a 90’s ad – these are the kinds of sites that gets 5 seconds of attention from visitors before moving on. If you are offering something legit, you should consider having a more appealing website, otherwise I think you will have trouble attracting visitors/members/customers (i am not sure which you are looking for, as the front page scared me away after 5 seconds).

Steve
Guest

Kenneth well taken tks for imput… Programming is tough stuff..

Isnt it funny..
Most of the scam websites look good
while the non scam sites need help..

will address good job

Mike
Guest
Mike

You only really need a 5k account to day trade futures and have a buffer for drawdowns, intraday margin requirements are only $500/contract most places. So you actually can trade with 1k or less in your account. Why go through ridiculous combines like topstep or deal with shady prop firms like MES at all?

Rudy
Guest
Rudy

well, you ALL are forgetting the fact that +90% of traders fail….so opening a $5k account will result in you LOSING your money pretty fast (likely a few thousand dollars if not all of it)!!! However, if you have topstep account and do combines regularly you can only lose what you put in, which is small (average price of $150). Even here you will probably lose BUT you will lose LESS REAL CAPITAL. Doesn’t anybody seem to get it!?? You will Lose Less money in a much longer timeframe with a program like TST than if you trade with real… Read more »

Christian
Guest
Christian

Yep, this was my first thought too.
The problem is I know trades that can not afford to have a real trading account but still spend money on Combines.
So, I would say the main target for these companies like TST are the broken traders.
As a TST “just funded trader” you have only first 10 days of trading to build your buffer account. This buffer is the only amount you will be permitted to lose before get a kick in the ass and put to take the combine again.

BP
Guest
BP

“Can you now see how this virtuous cycle persists?”

Emmett, I think you meant to say ‘vicious’, not virtuous. There’s certainly nothing virtuous about it. wink

Rob B
Member
Rob B

If I had to put my money on the line, I would guess this is more of the trading room illusion. Just another tool in the con artist’s good old toolbox to scam people. Take our course and even if you are underfunded you can get funded. It never ceases to amaze me at the elabornativeness (might not be a real word) that trading rooms setup to create the perfect scam. Literally they make the con artist from the movie The Sting look like amateurs. But I would also like to discuss TopStep. First, I openly admit I know very… Read more »

barry k
Guest
barry k

@Rob, A good analysis of TST was written by a BigMike member, GMM. Search and ye shall find.

Big Mike
Guest
Big Mike

Big Mike- Tiger Trader Futures i.o or whatever it is called. If this is a source you are relying on for solid trading info then you don’t understand Big Mikes motive and I suspect have very limited success. Big Mike is a vendor of the sneakiest kind. Specifically to Top Step- There are traders who have successfully passed the combines, are funded and make a decent living thanks to Top Step. I personally know a few of them. They live in 3rd world countries and are underfunded- But they are living the dream compared to their countrymen. One of these… Read more »

JSantos
Guest
JSantos

Perhaps most awaited review of the year 2015. Alas, MES does not need review!
Thanks, Emmett. You are duh best.

Seeing the big picture
Guest
Seeing the big picture

Emmett you’re the best this is so accurate of the bigger picture. Two trading rooms they are affiliated with Simon jousef gtr and Maria Roussos order flow Are the biggest false results claimers who squawk the loudest if you ask them to prove their amazing results. Mes makes no sense they move the ball all the time. There’s all kinds of politics between Sattsam and his alliance with Simon jousef. Once again if he can prove what is doing fine if not doubletalk. So far inconsistent capricious decisions from mes

Vlad
Guest

Well, of course it’s just BS, all that remains to be established is the flavor of it, ie does it have a plain scam aroma or is there also some ‘trading education’ sprinkled on it, TopStep style.

Jack Jensen
Guest
Jack Jensen

Why do you (Vlad) say that TopStep is BS? You may not like the terms, but that doesn’t equate to being BS.

Stray Dog
Guest
Stray Dog

MES Capital Group, Real or Fake? My money is on fake.

Scott m
Guest
Scott m

I spoke with the guy running mes before he got the message website up, and he just had the dumpy blog style futuresprofile.com site. He told me he had very little capital, as at the time he only claimed the max account is 15,000 and he had enough to fund maybe 5 traders.

Take that for what you will.

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